Sherman/Browner suspended for PEDs - Page 4

Caulibflower · 11-27-2012, 04:50 PM

As someone who has taken plenty of adderall and is also a Seahawks fan...

These guys are idiots. There've already been like three different stories in two days. Just makes me think this kind of thing must be extremely prevalent in the league for them to have such sorry excuses for getting caught. It really just means they genuinely did not think that they would, whatever it is they were doing.

It is so easy to get a prescription.

Ness · 11-27-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

I agree..... those 2 are vicious and Browner is dirty.
Now next will be #38 Gholston of the Niners.

You mean Goldson. And no it won't happen.

Meanwhile, I'm glad this is happening to Seattle. Hopefully they don't play when we go up there.

ChiFan24 · 11-27-2012, 05:26 PM

So.....they're playing against the Bears, right? Because **** that.

Ghost of Juice · 11-28-2012, 01:19 PM

I don't know if I would have got through college without it. It does really help you focus it makes studying fun.

kBuc5 · 11-28-2012, 03:27 PM

From what I've read it kills hangovers, they can party all night take a adderall and be ready for practice with no side effects.
I don't know the specifics on the drug but the people saying it's used to mask steroid use why would anyone take a banned subtance to mask another banned substance?

phlysac · 11-28-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kBuc5

but the people saying it's used to mask steroid use why would anyone take a banned subtance to mask another banned substance?

Because it's easier to deflect accountability when you say "I used a prescription drug to help myself study" than to say "yeah, I used a PED."

SickwithIt1010 · 11-28-2012, 03:56 PM

We all took it on our baseball team last year, I guess you could call it a PED...but I think its comical they file it under the same category of steroids, etc.

Shreckart · 11-28-2012, 04:16 PM

Adderall contains the same amphetamines of methamphetamine, so it's considered a narcotic which is why I can see why it's included with PEDs for the NFL. It is a great help, and is helping me get through college, but if they really wanted to just take Adderall to help study film and the playbooks I don't know why they wouldn't just get a subscription. It's really not hard for someone who has the resources of an NFL player to be able to get a subscription, and then file it with the NFL.

Like many have said previously, I'm along the lines of it's more than just adderall because if you can't test for specifics of the drug(s) that caused failure, and it's just a pass/fail test, then they easily could blame adderall.

My question though is how often do NFL players get tested? I feel like this couldn't have been just a one week thing where they happened to take some Addy and happened to get tested that same week. If they were taking some sort of PED, how long do those stay in your system? It's just a lot of unanswered questions in this situation.

gpngc · 11-28-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

They're idiots regardless, but you could get a prescription and run it through the league for approval. After that, you have a perfectly legal masking agent.

Of course you do, you've been defending them the whole time. They're still getting suspended four games.

They deserve to get suspended for breaking the rules.

I haven't defended anyone. I was just discussing the topic.

As a fan of the two individuals, I would have been disappointed if they were caught with physicall-enhancing PEDs.

Adderall, I can forgive them but I think they deserve the ban because those are the rules. Oh well.

Me forgiving them doesn't mean I don't think they should get suspended.

gpngc · 11-28-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shreckart

Adderall contains the same amphetamines of methamphetamine, so it's considered a narcotic which is why I can see why it's included with PEDs for the NFL. It is a great help, and is helping me get through college, but if they really wanted to just take Adderall to help study film and the playbooks I don't know why they wouldn't just get a subscription. It's really not hard for someone who has the resources of an NFL player to be able to get a subscription, and then file it with the NFL.

Like many have said previously, I'm along the lines of it's more than just adderall because if you can't test for specifics of the drug(s) that caused failure, and it's just a pass/fail test, then they easily could blame adderall.

My question though is how often do NFL players get tested? I feel like this couldn't have been just a one week thing where they happened to take some Addy and happened to get tested that same week. If they were taking some sort of PED, how long do those stay in your system? It's just a lot of unanswered questions in this situation.

This line of thinking makes sense but there's simply no way for us to know for sure that they're lying.

For what it's worth, Schefter on Sportscenter the other night said that NFL players use adderall to study playbooks, stay focused in meetings, etc. He did not mention the possibility of using it as a masking agent or the possibility of the players lying and blaming adderall to de-stigmatize themselves to the public.

b316 · 11-28-2012, 04:49 PM

Ed Weirder said, players take it pre and during game, to stay focused and into the game.

B-Marshal said players take viagria.

kBuc5 · 11-28-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac

Because it's easier to deflect accountability when you say "I used a prescription drug to help myself study" than to say "yeah, I used a PED."

Yea I get that, I was referring to the people stating that steroids were taken and adderall then taken as a masking agent. These guys can get popped for anything and say it's adderall.

XxXdragonXxX · 11-28-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shreckart

My question though is how often do NFL players get tested? I feel like this couldn't have been just a one week thing where they happened to take some Addy and happened to get tested that same week. If they were taking some sort of PED, how long do those stay in your system? It's just a lot of unanswered questions in this situation.

Well, browner says that he gets tested 2 to 3 times per week because he's already in the PER program. He says he doesn't even take supplements because he's afraid of testing positive. Not sure how often players who aren't in the program get tested.

Forenci · 11-28-2012, 05:57 PM

I always ******* hated the kids that would take Adderall without a legitimate illness to study. Man up and actually put in the work in.

I remembered people who would party all weekend and then take Adderall and study all day Sunday. Scum bags if you ask me.

Caulibflower · 11-28-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

I always ******* hated the kids that would take Adderall without a legitimate illness to study. Man up and actually put in the work in.

I remembered people who would party all weekend and then take Adderall and study all day Sunday. Scum bags if you ask me.

You, on the other hand, are obviously a very good all-around person.

phlysac · 11-28-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

You, on the other hand, are obviously a very good all-around person.

Well, no (I understand his post was abrasive) but using Adderall to "study" without a script is no less illegal than using cocaine to "lose weight" or marijuana to "chill out."

I counsel kids every day that have all kinds of "reasons" they pop the pills they pop.

I'm not judging anyone, as I have a history of experimentation and questionable behaviors, as well, but glorifying one minor positive outcome of drug use (focus) can lessen the perceived impact that the misuse of prescription drugs can have.

Darn it. Didn't intend to hijack this into a "drug" topic. Disregard.

ChiFan24 · 11-28-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

I always ******* hated the kids that would take Adderall without a legitimate illness to study. Man up and actually put in the work in.

I remembered people who would party all weekend and then take Adderall and study all day Sunday. Scum bags if you ask me.

There's probably a really good meme I could post here to make fun of you, but I'll just leave that to someone else.

Docta · 11-28-2012, 10:20 PM

I asked someone that has a history with steroids about this. Diuretics are used as masking agents, and Adderall only has diuretic properties (as does caffeine). It might help clean out some short-life steroids, but it's not as strong as true masking agents, so why use it as one?

And the NFL doesn't even tell the media what the players' test results were, so either they get leaked, or the players are just using Adderall as a smoke screen.

Forenci · 11-28-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

You, on the other hand, are obviously a very good all-around person.

I'd like believe so, yes. I fully support people using them if they have ADD/ADHD or any other illness that requires the use of it. I just laugh at people who can't manage their time well enough not to cheat.

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Originally Posted by ChiFan24

There's probably a really good meme I could post here to make fun of you, but I'll just leave that to someone else.

Make fun of me how? People being unable to handle their workload because they party too much so they cheat by (illegally) buying prescription drugs? Meanwhile the majority of people who don't have to actually manage their time and sacrifice some fun for the sake of work.

I'm not talking about legitimate, legal use of the drug. I'm saying it annoys me when people use it to make up for not actually doing their work like normal people do.

Caddy · 11-28-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

Make fun of me how? People being unable to handle their workload because they party too much so they cheat by (illegally) buying prescription drugs? Meanwhile the majority of people who don't have to actually manage their time and sacrifice some fun for the sake of work.

I'm not talking about legitimate, legal use of the drug. I'm saying it annoys me when people use it to make up for not actually doing their work like normal people do.

It's just a cop out for people who lack motivation.

Forenci · 11-28-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Caddy

It's just a cop out for people who lack motivation.

To an extent. It's basically a cheat. Why spend time studying each day, including the weekends, when you can cheat and take a pill to make you focus like hell and get it all done in one week?

It's just pisses me off. I worked a full-time job, had a girlfriend (several when I was an undergrad), hung out with friends, went to parties, etc. but when push to came to shove I'd always put my work first and that typically meant long nights in the library, often on Fridays and Saturdays too.

And then people try and get high and mighty about it like it's no big deal.

It's like PEDs but for students. It's horse crap. But I won't redirect this thread any longer. This just made me think of that, haha.

Shreckart · 11-28-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XxXdragonXxX

Well, browner says that he gets tested 2 to 3 times per week because he's already in the PER program. He says he doesn't even take supplements because he's afraid of testing positive. Not sure how often players who aren't in the program get tested.

Well if this is the case, why is he just now failing? He decided to take adderrall all of a sudden? I just don't understand this logic if he gets tested multiple times a week, is clean for the first twelve weeks and then fails. I might be missing something, but it just doesn't add up.

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Originally Posted by gpngc

This line of thinking makes sense but there's simply no way for us to know for sure that they're lying.

For what it's worth, Schefter on Sportscenter the other night said that NFL players use adderall to study playbooks, stay focused in meetings, etc. He did not mention the possibility of using it as a masking agent or the possibility of the players lying and blaming adderall to de-stigmatize themselves to the public.

I mean I don't doubt any of that, I'm sure it's commonly used. I've used it before, wasn't my cup of tea, but it was helpful. Do you have any idea if the tests are a pass/fail test or if adderall actually turned up positive?

Monomach · 11-29-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Shreckart

Do you have any idea if the tests are a pass/fail test or if adderall actually turned up positive?

This is never known. The collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow the NFL, the team, or the testers to disclose to the public whet the result was. No one working for the league would leak it because there's nothing to gain and a huge fine to risk.

The Adderall excuse always comes from the player or his agent because Adderall is the most recognized and acceptable drug on the list of PEDs the NFL tests for. When fans of your team hear you say it's Adderall, they usually say "well, that rule sucks. A little Addy is no big deal." These guys didn't really get popped for Adderall; they just leaked to the press that it was Adderal so that all of the college kids can come on this forum and talk about how innocuous it is instead of slamming them for the roids they really took.

Player A : "I took steroids."
Fans : "BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN WHILE HE SLEEPS!"

Media: "Player B took Adderall."
Homers : "B HAS ADHD, A LEGIT AFFLICTION, AND TAKES MEDS FOR IT. ROGER GOODELL WANTS TO SUSPEND HIM. BURN DOWN GOODELL'S HOUSE WHILE HE SLEEPS!"
Casual Fans : "LOLAdderall. What a stupid rule. My 12-year old takes Adderall."

gpngc · 11-29-2012, 08:34 AM

Nope. I'm sure The details of NFL drug testing are pretty secretive.

gpngc · 11-29-2012, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

This is never known. The collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow the NFL, the team, or the testers to disclose to the public whet the result was. No one working for the league would leak it because there's nothing to gain and a huge fine to risk.

The Adderall excuse always comes from the player or his agent because Adderall is the most recognized and acceptable drug on the list of PEDs the NFL tests for. When fans of your team hear you say it's Adderall, they usually say "well, that rule sucks. A little Addy is no big deal." These guys didn't really get popped for Adderall; they just leaked to the press that it was Adderal so that all of the college kids can come on this forum and talk about how innocuous it is instead of slamming them for the roids they really took.

Player A : "I took steroids."
Fans : "BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN WHILE HE SLEEPS!"

Player B : "I took Adderall."
Homers : "B HAS ADHD, A LEGIT AFFLICTION, AND TAKES MEDS FOR IT. ROGER GOODELL WANTS TO SUSPEND HIM. BURN DOWN GOODELL'S HOUSE WHILE HE SLEEPS!"
Casual Fans : "LOLAdderall. What a stupid rule. My 12-year old takes Adderall."

Makes sense. But it also makes sense that the drug is in fact adderall because insiders have said it is used in the nfl. Also 2 guys who claimed adderall were tested for it with the proof being the success of their appeals.

Not saying every single agent/player who claims adderall is being truthful but I don't think it's fair to assume physical peds for all who claim adderall.