Russell Wilson vs Colin Kaepernick? Who is going to be/is the better player?

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

I'm not trolling you, I just find it hilarious how some of you 9ers fans think you're being unfairly persecuted on this board.

If they feel they're being "persecuted," in most cases, the persecutor is you.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by papa burgundy

I think the Niners fan base has been one of the most annoying for a few years running now. They've just started to pop up more, because when a team starts to win their fans get that much more annoying. If you think it's really so bad here, you should check out the official 49ers message board. It's non-stop insecurity and paranoia about their own players there.

btw .. I'm a Niners fan.

You can say that about any team. Go to the Ravens, Steelers, Patriots, or Saints board and every one of those places the majority of the fans are knuckleheads complaining about trivial or mundane issues while their team is successful and/or it's homer central.

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by Ness

You can say that about any team. Go to the Ravens, Steelers, Patriots, or Saints board and every one of those places the majority of the fans are knuckleheads complaining about trivial or mundane issues while their team is successful.

This.

I grew up outside of Buffalo during the height of the Jim Kelly era. I hated the Bills the most of all teams... because of being around their fans.

I now live in the Pittsburgh area, and I dislike the Steelers the most for the same reasons.


I can only assume that if I'd live in the Bay area, I'd likely hate the 49ers.

[Caulibflower]

Originally Posted by njx9

i like him as a player, and i hope he keeps improving. but i've spent most of the season really glad that he wasn't on my team this year.

For one thing, I think you're underestimating Golden Tate. His college highlight reels might have the most circus catches I've ever seen in a single player's college career, and he's had the same reputation in camp throughout his Seahawks career... he just couldn't do enough other things to crack the starting lineup. Now that he has, it seems like there's a new tate.gif every game. One thing he does well is catch passes you think he shouldn't be able to.

And the other thing is that while you see a QB who should take off and run with it more, we've been watching Matt Hasselbeck for years. Easiest quarterback to sack in the league. Collapse the pocket, and he falls down. Russell Wilson is so much better at avoiding the rush we're just happy the play lasted longer.

[Caddy]

Originally Posted by Caulibflower

For one thing, I think you're underestimating Golden Tate. His college highlight reels might have the most circus catches I've ever seen in a single player's college career, and he's had the same reputation in camp throughout his Seahawks career... he just couldn't do enough other things to crack the starting lineup. Now that he has, it seems like there's a new tate.gif every game. One thing he does well is catch passes you think he shouldn't be able to.

And the other thing is that while you see a QB who should take off and run with it more, we've been watching Matt Hasselbeck for years. Easiest quarterback to sack in the league. Collapse the pocket, and he falls down. Russell Wilson is so much better at avoiding the rush we're just happy the play lasted longer.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Caulibflower

For one thing, I think you're underestimating Golden Tate. His college highlight reels might have the most circus catches I've ever seen in a single player's college career, and he's had the same reputation in camp throughout his Seahawks career... he just couldn't do enough other things to crack the starting lineup. Now that he has, it seems like there's a new tate.gif every game. One thing he does well is catch passes you think he shouldn't be able to.

maybe i've missed them all. he runs like, a 5.7 40 and jumps like, 3" off the ground. and he only does those when someone's holding a doughnut just out of his reach. every game/play i've seen, he's easily the least athletic player on the football field.

again, maybe i'm forgetting one, but i don't recall a single pass deep to tate that was actually a completion early in the season, aside from the infamous one.

[Borat]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Just in terms of physical skills, CK dwarfs Russell Wilson

LOLOLOL. It's not hard to dwarf a dwarf.

[WCH]

Originally Posted by papa burgundy

I think the Niners fan base has been one of the most annoying for a few years running now. They've just started to pop up more, because when a team starts to win their fans get that much more annoying. If you think it's really so bad here, you should check out the official 49ers message board. It's non-stop insecurity and paranoia about their own players there.

btw .. I'm a Niners fan.

So it's like the NFL Weekly Discussion Threads?

[XxXdragonXxX]

On Russell Wilson. Last week he became the first rookie in NFL history to have a QB rating above 125 3 straight weeks. He set the rookie record with 16 straight completions last week. He has the 2nd highest QB rating in the NFL since week 5 behind Tom Brady. He's thrown less than half as many INT's as he has TD's. in the past 6 weeks he's thrown 12 TD's and 2 INT's, if he continues on that TD pace for the last 5 games, he will break Peyton Manning's rookie passing TD record of 26. He has a QB rating of 93 for the season and has completed 63% of his passes. I dont remember his ranking, but his red zone efficiency is I believe top 3 in the NFL since week 5.

It seems like nobody takes into account that he's a rookie. Especially at the beginning of the year. It also seems like everybody wrote him off for his career in week 5 (or earlier) and then stopped paying attention. He leads the team like a veteran, and is playing like a veteran.


On Golden Tate. He's had a couple really bad games this year. I almost wanted him cut not too long ago. But aside from those couple games, he has played great and really is a playmaker. He had a 41 yard TD against GB (but all anyone remembers is the final play) a 51 yard catch against NE, a 38 yard TD against the Jets and a 32 yard catch against the Dolphins. But he's really more dangerous on bubble screens than anything. Go to the last 2 posts on page 3 of the NFL GIF thread to see some of his playmaking ability.



But nobody here actually watches the Seahawks, so it's not like you should know any of this.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Look, don't say Wilson has had the 2nd highest QB rating since week 5. You can't dice and slice an NFL season like that.
Wilson currently is not among the top 10 passer rated QBs in the NFL.
You can't cut out week 5 stats like Wilson hasn't been the starter all season long, when in fact he has.


I will say if Tannehill/RG3/Luck/Weeden were first round picks, in hindsight Wilson should have been too.

[XxXdragonXxX]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Look, don't say Wilson has had the 2nd highest QB rating since week 5. You can't dice and slice an NFL season like that.
Wilson currently is not among the top 10 passer rated QBs in the NFL.
You can't cut out week 5 stats like Wilson hasn't been the starter all season long, when in fact he has.


I will say if Tannehill/RG3/Luck/Weeden were first round picks, in hindsight Wilson should have been too.

That stat is simply to show his improvement since everyone wrote him off.

And you're right, he's merely the 11th rated passer in the NFL, just ahead of Drew Brees.

[Caddy]

Originally Posted by XxXdragonXxX

That stat is simply to show his improvement since everyone wrote him off.

And you're right, he's merely the 11th rated passer in the NFL, just ahead of Drew Brees.

Really going with that one?

[Ness]

Russell Wilson is only averaging 186.5 yards per game. Which is fine. He's not necessarily the focal point of their offense, and he's a rookie. His rating is high, but the Seahawks from what I've seen aren't necessarily putting a lot on his plate. Reminds me of Steve McNair's first few years in the NFL. And him being ahead of Drew Brees in passer rating doesn't really mean anything.

[njx9]

can we stop playing with stats now? a fair number of people have seen the guy play.

[TACKLE]

Originally Posted by njx9

can we stop playing with stats now? a fair number of people have seen the guy play.

this. also this.

too much over reliance on stats in determining the quality of players in general (not just this thread, not just this site). i'd be more interested in actually hearing insights gathered from watching games rather than another argument a computer program is capable of making.

[bantx]

yall hatin

[MetSox17]

I still wanna know why his hair is like that.

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by MetSox17

I still wanna know why his hair is like that.

Bi-racial hair

[VernonLawson89]

I wish CK could throw touchdownceptions like RW :(

[LonghornsLegend]

What a silly question. Andrew Luck or Kaepernick is a better poll.

[abaddon41_80]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

What a silly question. Joe Montana or Kaepernick is a better poll.

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[y.f.s.]

The answer is Teddy Bridgewater.

[Caulibflower]

[njx9]

ok, look, i'm really not trying to troll seahawks fans. but he gets 6 inches off the ground on that jump.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Golden Tate is the one young WR who most reminds me of Steve Smith. He's so studly and I'm glad to see he's beginning to become a more consistent playmaker on the left coast.