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A couple thoughts on the draft; I was more excited than ever for this QB class heading into the season, and could not be more disapointed as the season comes to an end. I do think T. Wilson is far more consistant than G. Smith with less talent around him, and people fell in love with Smith's first couple games, and are not looking at the season as a whole or last year.
I think several trends will change in this draft, Jeff Fisher will draft at least one offensive linemen in the first round, Buddy Nix will be more open to drafting players outside of the SE in the early rounds, and teams will not reach on QB's as much.
I like to come up with 2 sleepers about this time of year, last year I had Chandler Jones and Leonard Johnson, this year my sleepers are Ryan Nassib (QB -Syracuse) and Andrew Jackson (ILB - W. Kentucky - should he come out) who I dont think are not getting the credit at this point they deserve.
Anyway, I am looking for any intelligent feed back and insight into what does not make sense about a pick, or a trade. I included my initial end of the season draft grades, using my previous format as I did not like the system I came up with last year. As usual I will respond when I can, enjoy!!


2013 NFL Mock Draft
Round 1 (v1.3)


1 – Kansas City – Tyler Wilson (QB – Arkansas)
Grade: Top 5
*Trade* Carolina trades the 5th pick and 36th pick in the 2013 draft, as well as their 2nd round pick in 2014 to Jacksonville for pick number 2 in the 2013 draft.
2 – Carolina (via. Jax) – Star Lotulelei (DT – Utah)
Grade: Top 5
3 – Oakland – Damontre Moore (DE – Texas A & M)
Grade: Top 5
4 – Philadelphia – Luke Joeckel (LT – Texas A & M)
Grade: Top 5
5 – Jacksonville (via. Carolina) – Jarvis Jones (OLB – Georgia)
Grade: #1 Pick
*Trade* St. Louis trades the 15th,47th, 79th, and 207th picks in 2013 to San Diego for the 6th and 104th picks in 2013.
6 – St. Louis (via. S.D.) – Taylor Lewan (LT – Michigan)
Grade: Top 10
7 – Cleveland – Bjoern Werner (DE – F.S.U.)
Grade: Top 20
8 – Tennessee – Keenan Allen (WR – Cal.)
Grade: Top 10
9 – Arizona – Jake Matthews (LT/RT – Texas A & M)
Grade: Top 10
10 – Detroit – Ezekiel Ansah (DE – B.Y.U.)
Grade: Top 20
11 – Buffalo – Manti Te’o (ILB – Notre Dame)
Grade: Top 5
12 – New Orleans – Sheldon Richardson (DT – Mizzu)
Grade: Top 20
13 – Miami – Cordarrelle Patterson (WR – Tennessee)
Grade: 1st Round
14 – N.Y.J. – Barkevious Mingo (OLB – L.S.U.)
Grade: Top 20
15 – San Diego – Eric Fisher(LT – C. Michigan)
Grade: 1st Round
16 – Tampa Bay – Johnathan Banks (CB – Miss. St.)
Grade: Top 10
17 – St. Louis (via. Washington) – Chance Womack (G – Alabama)
Grade: Top 10
18 – Dallas – Johnathan Hankins (DT – O.S.U.)
Grade: Top 20
19 – Minnesota – DeAndre Hopkins (WR – Clemson)
Grade: 1st Round
20 – Cincinnati – Sam Montgomery (DE – L.S.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
21 – Pittsburgh – T.J. McDonald (FS – U.S.C.)
Grade: 1st Round
22 – Seattle – Tevon Austin (WR – W. Virginia)
Grade: First Round
23 – N.Y.G. – Dee Milliner (CB – Alabama)
Grade: Top 20
24 – Indianapolis – Anthony Barr (OLB – U.C.L.A.)
Grade: 1st Round
25 – Chicago – Jonathan Cooper (G – U.N.C.)
Grade: 1st Round
26– Green Bay – Lane Johnson (LT/RT – Oklahoma)
Grade: 1st Round
27 – Denver – Kawann Short (DT – Purdue)
Grade: 1st Round
*Trade* Philadelphia trades the 35th, 69th, and 216th picks in the 2013 draft to Baltimore for the 28th, and 92nd picks in the 2013 draft.
28 – Philadelphia (via. Baltimore) – Geno Smith (QB – W. Virginia)
Grade: 2nd Round
29 – San Francisco – Dion Jordan (OLB – Oregon)
Grade: 1st Round
30 – New England – Barrett Jones (G/C/T – Alabama)
Grade: 1st Round
31 – Atlanta – Jesse Williams (NT – Alabama)
Grade: 1st Round
32 – Houston – Quinton Patten (WR – La. Tech.)
Grade: 1st Round

Round 2


33 – Jacksonville – Xavier Rhodes (CB – F.S.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
34 – Kansas City – Terrance Williams (WR – Baylor)
Grade: 2nd Round
*Trade* Arizona trades the 40th and 102nd picks in the 2013 draft to Baltimore for the 35th pick.
35 – Arizona (via. Baltimore /Philadelphia) – Matt Barkley (QB – U.S.C.)

Grade: 2nd Round
36 – Jacksonville (via. Carolina) – Larry Warford (G – Kentucky)
Grade: 2nd Round
37 – Cincinnati (via. Oakland) – Giovani Bernard (RB – U.N.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
38 – Cleveland – Josh Gordon Supplemental Draft
39 – Tennessee – Alex Okafor (DE – Texas)
Grade: 2nd Round
40 – Baltimore (via. Arizona) – Andrew Jackson (ILB – W. Kentucky)
Grade: 1st Round
41 – Detroit – Eric Reid (SS/FS – L.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
42 – San Diego – C.J. Mosley (OLB – Alabama)
Grade: 2nd Round
43 – New Orleans – Bounty Gate
44 – Miami – Jackson Jeffcoat (DE – Texas)
Grade: 2nd Round
45 – N.Y.J. – Oday Aboushi (LT/RT – Virginia)
Grade: 2nd Round
46 – Buffalo – Ryan Nassib (QB – Syracuse)
Grade: 2nd Round
47 – San Diego (via. St. Louis) – Jordan Poyer (CB – Oregon St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
48 – Washington – David Amerson (CB – N.C. St)
Grade: 2nd Round
49 – Dallas – Dallas Thomas (G/T – U.Tennessee)
Grade: 2nd Round
50 – Minnesota – Sharrif Floyd (DT – Florida)
Grade: 2nd Round
51 – Tampa Bay – Kevin Minter (ILB – L.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
52 – Cincinnati – Shayne Skov (ILB – Stanford)
Grade: 2nd Round
53 – Seattle – Kahseem Green (LB – Rutgers)
Grade: 2nd Round
54 – N.Y.G. – Zach Ertz (TE – Stanford)
Grade: 1st Round
55 – Pittsburgh – Chase Thomas (OLB – Stanford)
Grade: 1st Round
56 – Miami (via. Indy) – Tyler Eifert (TE – Notre Dame)
Grade: 1st Round
57 – Green Bay – Eddie Lacy (RB – Alabama)
Grade: 2nd Round
58 – Chicago – Desmond Trufant (CB – Washington)
Grade: 2nd Round
59 – Baltimore – Matt Elam (SS – Florida)
Grade: 2nd Round
60 – Denver – Jonathan Jenkins (NT – Georgia)
Grade: 2nd round
61 – San Francisco – Logan Ryan (CB – Rutgers)
Grade: 3rd Round
62 – New England – Justin Hunter (WR – Tennessee)
Grade: 2nd Round
63 – Atlanta – Kyle Long (LT – Oregon)
Grade: 3rd Round
64 – Houston – Nico Johnson (ILB – Alabama)
Grade: 3rd Round
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A Perfect Bears draft would be B. Jones and Elam
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I don't mind the Ravens trading back but if Jordan is still on the board at that point I'd really prefer them just to take him. As for who you actually have them taking I'm not as familiar with Jackson as the other ILB prospects but I've heard good things about him. I would prefer Mosley but right now that's only because I know more about him and I like what I've seen. Arthur Brown is probably a bit higher on my list than even Mosley but I see you don't have him in the top two rounds.

Elam (as a FS, not SS) is alright with the second pick. I have my concerns about any S taken with a high pick sitting for at least a couple of seasons (I think Reed comes back on a multi-year deal and starts as long as he's a Raven) but that's easier to swallow for a second round pick than a first round pick.
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I would like the Bengals draft. The only nitpick I would give is give the Bengals Green or Thomas over Skov. Maualuga has played a lot better since being called out.
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If I am NO, I'd rather have Johnathan Hankins.
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A Perfect Bears draft would be B. Jones and Elam
I have been trying to get out a mock for a little over two weeks, and in one version I had Jones going to the Bears, and agree it would be a nice pick, I do however have Cooper rated higher, and went with his grade and athleticism over Jones flexability. When I watch the Bears play, I see a interior line that is slow, has poor reaction time, especially to twists and stunts. Do you think Jones is a better upgrade in that area, or am I just wrong?
As for Elam, I would agree that he is a strong possibility at that spot, but again, had Trufant as a better value, and had heard the Bears will have FA issues at corner, is that true from what you know?
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If I am NO, I'd rather have Johnathan Hankins.
I dont blame you in the respect that many have Hankins as a top 10 type value, although I am not sold on that yet, I went with Richardson because I think he is a better scheme fit as a 3 tech than anyone else on the roster. IMO Bunkley and Hicks are better suited to play the nose, and I think Ellis will want too much money to stay in the NOLA. Additionally I have Richardson and Hankins with the same grade, with Richardson being a better fit in their attacking style. I also down grade Hankins due to his inconsistant effort, from what I have seen of both so far on the field I would take Richardsons more consistant effort over Hankins.

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I'd be fine with that...
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Werner's a great pick. I'm not sure he'll be there for us though. There's also a slight issue in that Werner primarily plays LE, which is where the Browns play Sheard, who's proven less effective on the right side. Werner's first step is outstanding so you'd think he could play either side but it's something they'll consider when scouting. It's also not out of the question that they might sit Sheard if they get a better LE.

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-I'm curious why you have the Titans taking another WR?
-Te'o outside of the top ten is looking unlikely-even if his best position is MLB.
-Sheldon Richardson's attitude is gonna drop him.
-T.J. McDonald in the first is surprising. I liked him before the season but he hasn't had a great year.
-Quinton Patton. I'm skeptical about this guy.
-Given the opportunity to take Barkley, Bray or Nassib, which do you think the Bills would prefer? If Barkley/Bray drop, it won't be too difficult for the Bills to move up.
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I don't mind the Ravens trading back but if Jordan is still on the board at that point I'd really prefer them just to take him. As for who you actually have them taking I'm not as familiar with Jackson as the other ILB prospects but I've heard good things about him. I would prefer Mosley but right now that's only because I know more about him and I like what I've seen. Arthur Brown is probably a bit higher on my list than even Mosley but I see you don't have him in the top two rounds.

Elam (as a FS, not SS) is alright with the second pick. I have my concerns about any S taken with a high pick sitting for at least a couple of seasons (I think Reed comes back on a multi-year deal and starts as long as he's a Raven) but that's easier to swallow for a second round pick than a first round pick.
I thought about Jordan to the Ravens, but with Suggs and Upshaw, I thought it would be a little too much of a luxury. But I will certainly entertain eating crow.
Jackson is a guy I was turned onto last year, and love what I see from him, especially in a 3-4/hybrid style defense, kind of reminds of Lavon Kirkland. Heart and Soul type, with surprising athleticism, instictive, and a tackling machine. Alabama smoked W. Kentucky, but Jackson I thought was a star, and did not look out of place playing against Bama.
Mosley concerns me because he was not a 3 down player from what I saw, talented no doubt.... I still need to double check alot of things.
I like Arthur Brown alot, and had him at the top of the third round as a second round value, but did not finish the third... I wanted to fit him in, and in time probably will do so.
Elam I think could play FS, and if Reed hangs on for a couple more years, I hear what you are saying, makes sense... Elam at FS, then in time move him over?
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Werner's a great pick. I'm not sure he'll be there for us though. There's also a slight issue in that Werner primarily plays LE, which is where the Browns play Sheard, who's proven less effective on the right side. Werner's first step is outstanding so you'd think he could play either side but it's something they'll consider when scouting. It's also not out of the question that they might sit Sheard if they get a better LE.

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-I'm curious why you have the Titans taking another WR?
-Te'o outside of the top ten is looking unlikely-even if his best position is MLB.
-Sheldon Richardson's attitude is gonna drop him.
-T.J. McDonald in the first is surprising. I liked him before the season but he hasn't had a great year.
-Quinton Patton. I'm skeptical about this guy.
-Given the opportunity to take Barkley, Bray or Nassib, which do you think the Bills would prefer? If Barkley/Bray drop, it won't be too difficult for the Bills to move up.
Werner may not be, he is continually moving up my board, some of my notes from last season mention him as a RE, and I think he can play there, but this season everything I have mentions him as a LE, and I considered that Sheard issue and almost had the Browns move up for Moore, but could not see Oakland trading back and had Carolina steal the 2nd spot. I did like the Sheard/Werner combination at LE/RE respectively.

Titans - I think K. Wright is best suited for the slot, Every year it seems like Britt gets into one or two off the field problem/s and they seem to be escilating, I wonder if the give him a big contract in two years? Injury concern are also starting to mount IMO. Nate Washington is a good player, but I think Allen is a big upgrade. All of that coupled with Allen's value, his ability to grow with Locker, and their first two options off the board made me go with Allen. I did almost put Ansah their, and in time just might.

Te'o - I agree, although if Willis goes 11th, so can Te'o IMO. Not to mention things just fell that way, I actually almost went with him to Cleveland.

Richardson - It might, i have heard rumors and will be interested to see how that develops leading up to the draft. I actually have his talent level as board line top ten, but until the other stuff is figured out, have him as a top twenty overall, and could drop.

McDonald - I am torn on him right now. I am trying to figure out Lane Kiffins affect on his teams. Which might have an negative affect on his players. I also have not re-evaluated him fully yet. Right now nothing with him would shock me in terms of where he went in the draft.

Patten - I dont blame you, and will be interested see how his pre-draft process plays out.

Bray - I dont think he should declare, and I am not as high on him as most. Buffalo maybe... I think the Bills would probably prefer Bray out of the 3, Nassib is actually my second rated QB right now. If a new coach comes in, I could see Barkley, but dont think he fits with Gailey, if Barkley or Bray drop, I could see them moving up for Bray. Bray and or Nassib would be the best fit IMO. Nix's history tells me Bray. Although I do think Nassib will be a better pro-QB. I had a conversation with a well known writer for another sight, who tore Nassib apart, and that was after the USC game in which he only wrote negatives about Nassib, but had no answers for the positives I brought up (he regularly develops tunnel vision, and told me last year C.Jones was nothing more than a mid-late round prospect who would be lucky to be a back up), including Nassib being the only reason Cuse' wasnt blown out of the water in that game. I am actually shocked he is not getting more national attention, Sales and Lemon will be lucky to get camp invites, unless one of them blows up the pre-draft process, and Nassib has Manning/Brady/Brees like on the field command qualities. I hope he ends up in Buffalo as a Bills fan. That is all just my opinion though.

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Elam I think could play FS, and if Reed hangs on for a couple more years, I hear what you are saying, makes sense... Elam at FS, then in time move him over?
The thing is Pollard is almost a perfect fit for what the Ravens need/want at SS. Maybe in a few seasons when Pollard's contract is over and/or they don't keep him around Elam could move over to that role but I don't think that would be the best fit for him anyways, especially not in the role that the Ravens usually like the SS to have. Honestly I think they're going to stick with developing Christian Thompson (4th round pick last season, really raw but has some nice physical tools to work with) to take over for Reed in a few seasons and then go from there.
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A Perfect Bears draft would be B. Jones and Elam
That would be a terrible Bears draft. Jones isn't worth a 1st round pick and Elam would be our 2nd or 3rd string SS?

If we take Cooper in the 1st give us Gerald Hodges in the 2nd.
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Bad pick for the Colts. Give them the higher rated pass rusher LB Dion Jordan. He would give them a versatile pass rusher with great length that we do not have.
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There's really no need for the Panthers to trade up. Lotulelei and Hankins have similar grades, and Joeckel is a legitimate option as well. We pissed away two second round picks to draft a player who may have been available at five, and even if not wasn't that much better than the other options. We have too many needs to hitch ourselves to a single player in that manner.
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Poz51,

Permit me to comment on your Rams draft with a simple word....NOOOOOOOO!!....and hell no. My reasoning is as follows:

1.) I agree with you that this could be the year that Fish finally goes OL in the first round, but this is ONLY because he has multiple picks in the first round. If he didn't he would not draft an offensive lineman.

2.) There is next to no way in Hades the Rams take TWO OL in the first round.

3.) The Rams if anything are looking to trade DOWN with at least one if not both of their first round picks. So this trade up ain't gonna happen...

4.) Speaking of your trade it makes little to no sense on multiple levels.

A.) We give up way too much for a team with as many holes as we have.

B.) According to your mock we could've just stayed at 15 and picked a LOT like Eric Fisher and saved all of our picks. Huh?!? Is Lewan really that much better than Fisher? And, if so, is he worth what is tantamount to a King's ransom to get him?

5.) If (and it is a big 'IF') we were to trade up for an OL it had better be for a guy named Luke Joeckel.

6.) Many do not know this but the Rams actually like Rodger Saffold as their LOT. The only issue with him has been health but since he has returned to the starting lineup he has played well.

Since the Rams are in Buffalo this Sunsday I suggest you watch Saffold a bit and see how he does. You may be surprised....

Finally, this game against the Bills is a MUST win for the Rams for reasons beyond the usual trite stuff like playoffs or a winning record, etc. You see my lovely wife is FROM Buffalo ( grew up in Cheektowaga - try saying that 5x's quickly) and it is absolutely imperative that we dunk the Bills in the Niagara River or is it Lake Erie? Well, no matter. For continued peace in our home it is necessary that I..er..the RAMS win convincingly so all will be in harmony in the universe. If not, though, all **** will break loose! Besides with a RAMS victory over the hapless Bills, I will then have the opportunity to show my lovely better half just what a good and commendable sport I can truly be.

P.S. FWIW... My Buffalonian wife couldn't really care less about this epic battle as she seems to despise only the Miami Dolphins.

Heh...whatever.

GO RAMS!!
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I'd be happy with Jones and Hunter.
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Dion Jordan would make that draft for me.
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There's really no need for the Panthers to trade up. Lotulelei and Hankins have similar grades, and Joeckel is a legitimate option as well. We pissed away two second round picks to draft a player who may have been available at five, and even if not wasn't that much better than the other options. We have too many needs to hitch ourselves to a single player in that manner.
What Cigaro said. Star is not an elite enough prospect to trade 2 2nds for. We have way to many needs to be hitching our wagon on one player in this draft. Remember we don't have a 3rd in this draft either. We would have Star and nothing else until the 4th round.
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Fantastic Vikings draft.
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There's basically a 0% chance the Titans take a WR in the 1st.
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Prefer a pass rusher to a DT for Oakland, but prefer trading down to either.
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The thing is Pollard is almost a perfect fit for what the Ravens need/want at SS. Maybe in a few seasons when Pollard's contract is over and/or they don't keep him around Elam could move over to that role but I don't think that would be the best fit for him anyways, especially not in the role that the Ravens usually like the SS to have. Honestly I think they're going to stick with developing Christian Thompson (4th round pick last season, really raw but has some nice physical tools to work with) to take over for Reed in a few seasons and then go from there.
I got you, I totally disregarded Pollard in all lines of thought. Thank you for the thoughtful intelligent feedback I appreciate it!!
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The new Carolina GM would be fired on the spot.

We're not one superstar player away from competing. We lack depth AND talent. Can't afford to trade away picks
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