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Old 12-06-2012, 07:13 PM    (permalink
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the net average is right around 40.

so if they punt they kick from the 35/40, if they go for it, they start from further back? i'm not saying the nfl isn't capable of making a rule that inane, but that would be an inane rule. if it all started at the 40, you have even less reason to bother with punting, especially if the other team has a good returner.


But even if they make it at the 40, nobody is going to go for it every time, if you fail you're basically giving the other team a free field goal. I mean, you don't see teams going for it on every 4th down at their 40 now, why would this be any different?
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:42 PM    (permalink
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But even if they make it at the 40, nobody is going to go for it every time, if you fail you're basically giving the other team a free field goal. I mean, you don't see teams going for it on every 4th down at their 40 now, why would this be any different?
I wonder how much the psychology would come into it though. If you have a 4th and 15 inside your own half it means your offense just got owned for 3 straight plays where as if you are "kicking off" then you've just scored and got big mo on your side.

Not sure it would make a difference, NFL coaches are inherently defensive and conservative in their decision making and really that is unlikely to change because they open themselves to criticism by going against the grain (even when it's the right thing).

As a fan of kickoffs (still the most exciting part of the game) I don't like this idea at all but compared to most NFL suggested rule compromises it's actually not that bad...
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It's not a new idea, Schiano thought of that idea directly after Erik Legrand's incident. Here's an article about it with some statisticals breakdown. Of course, since Schiano was at Rutgers when he proposed the idea, the author of the article uses NCAA stats, so some stats were taken from the NCAA. It does say, though, that ine the NFL, in 2010, teams "converted" an onside kick 25% of the attempts versus 18% for the average 4th and 15 conversion.



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So, what if that injury happened on a passing play? Would Schiano be trying to eliminate all passes from the game?
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I actually like this idea. I don't know if it's a good idea or not, but I like it.

The kick off doesn't add any value to the game to me. Punt returns are just as exciting (if not more) and 4th and 20 is just as much "do-or-die" as an onside kick is, except it will feel like less of a fluke to the viewer.

Because of the roster rules a kick off is usually full of 20-22 2nd and 3rd string players that are barely hanging onto their roster spots. The only specialists on kick offs are the kickers and maybe returners (Returners are weird, because sometimes a guy may only have his roster spot because he can return kicks, but then other times you get guys like Wes Welker who is a legit WR but he also does PR and KR occasionally).

The punt move doesn't eliminate this dilemma really, but the new "onside kick" will be better than before.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:19 AM    (permalink
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I wish the NFL would look at eliminating ties. I like the college football system with some tweaks. Start at the fifty yard line instead of the twenty-five yard line, and make it mandatory to go for two after every touchdown score. Also, set the game clock to two minutes at the start of every possession so that teams have to score quickly.
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