2013 Canes - Page 135

draftguru151 · 11-21-2012, 10:06 AM

So apparently the NCAA sent out a letter to former players saying if they didn't talk to the NCAA they would be assumed quilty. WTF?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sport...t-chatter.html

djp · 11-21-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151

So apparently the NCAA sent out a letter to former players saying if they didn't talk to the NCAA they would be assumed quilty. WTF?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sport...t-chatter.html

Haha, it just keeps happening over and over again. Now we know why the athletic department took the second bowl ban. NCAA absolutely wants to bury UM.

Bert Macklin · 11-21-2012, 12:40 PM

As they should. Miami should get just a bad as SMU got.

MassNole · 11-21-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151

So apparently the NCAA sent out a letter to former players saying if they didn't talk to the NCAA they would be assumed quilty. WTF?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sport...t-chatter.html

They have the chance to deny everything, if they choose not to then what alternative does the NCAA have then to believe the uncontested evidence before them?

draftguru151 · 11-21-2012, 01:29 PM

/me bans acreboy

djp · 11-21-2012, 02:26 PM

Stumbled across this excerpt from the Cam Newton wiki page. See bolded. Anyone think this logic is being applied in the Shapiro case? Gee, no wonder people think the NCAA picks and chooses who gets crushed.

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In October 2011, the NCAA officially closed its 13-month investigation into the recruitment of Cam Newton, unable to substantiate any allegation or speculation of illicit recruiting by Auburn,[43][44] and concluded that Cecil Newton only solicited a cash payment from Mississippi State and no other institution attempting to recruit his son.[39] The investigation, which consisted of over 50 interviews and the reviewing of numerous bank records, IRS documents, telephone records, and e-mail messages, resulted in no findings that would indicate Auburn participated in any pay-for-play scenario in signing Cam Newton.[45][46] The NCAA said that the allegations failed to "meet a burden of proof, which is a higher standard than rampant public speculation online and in the media" and that the allegations were not "based on credible and persuasive information".[44][46] The NCAA's Stacey Osburn said "We've done all we can do. We've done all the interviews. We've looked into everything, and there's nothing there. Unless something new comes to light that's credible and we need to look at, it's concluded."[47]

bearsfan_51 · 11-21-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by djp

Stumbled across this excerpt from the Cam Newton wiki page. See bolded. Anyone think this logic is being applied in the Shapiro case? Gee, no wonder people think the NCAA picks and chooses who gets crushed.

But they did their due diligence in that case, they just couldn't prove anything. So far, Miami hasn't been charged with anything, so I don't see where the discrepancy is. By your own wiki source, they conducted over 50 interviews to dig up anything that they could in Newton's case.

Bert Macklin · 11-21-2012, 03:27 PM

At least no one at Miami ALLEGEDLY killed 5 hookers.

djp · 11-21-2012, 07:25 PM

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But they did their due diligence in that case, they just couldn't prove anything. So far, Miami hasn't been charged with anything, so I don't see where the discrepancy is. By your own wiki source, they conducted over 50 interviews to dig up anything that they could in Newton's case.

Very true, you make a good point. That said, I do believe that Miami will get off relatively easy, and the NCAA knows this. My gut feeling is that the NCAA has very little actual evidence and is resorting to these unethical tactics as a desperate last play.

MassNole · 11-22-2012, 06:45 AM

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Very true, you make a good point. That said, I do believe that Miami will get off relatively easy, and the NCAA knows this. My gut feeling is that the NCAA has very little actual evidence and is resorting to these unethical tactics as a desperate last play.

Or the NCAA finally found a way to assert jurisdiction over former players and are using this to put everyone on notice.

TACKLE · 11-22-2012, 07:50 AM

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Or the NCAA finally found a way to assert jurisdiction over former players and are using this to put everyone on notice.

A loophole that makes people guilty until proven innocent. Interesting...

Iamcanadian · 11-22-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by djp

Stumbled across this excerpt from the Cam Newton wiki page. See bolded. Anyone think this logic is being applied in the Shapiro case? Gee, no wonder people think the NCAA picks and chooses who gets crushed.

Auburn is currently under heavy investigation by the NCAA which is why Chizik is about to be fired.

Iamcanadian · 11-22-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by djp

Very true, you make a good point. That said, I do believe that Miami will get off relatively easy, and the NCAA knows this. My gut feeling is that the NCAA has very little actual evidence and is resorting to these unethical tactics as a desperate last play.

I don't, the NCAA will throw the book at Miami. They have plenty of evidence to punish them.

MassNole · 11-22-2012, 08:30 AM

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A loophole that makes people guilty until proven innocent. Interesting...

The NCAA has evidence in the form of Shapiro's testimony and records. The former players could speak with the NCAA and deny everything, they are choosing not to. If they don't speak then Shapiro's testimony and evidence goes in unimpeached and guilt is the only conclusion that can be drawn. Besides the NCAA isn't bound by the Constitution, they are a private organization, but nonetheless they are giving Miami ample due process.

djp · 11-23-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MassNole

The NCAA has evidence in the form of Shapiro's testimony and records. The former players could speak with the NCAA and deny everything, they are choosing not to. If they don't speak then Shapiro's testimony and evidence goes in unimpeached and guilt is the only conclusion that can be drawn. Besides the NCAA isn't bound by the Constitution, they are a private organization, but nonetheless they are giving Miami ample due process.

We don't really know what they have or don't have in terms of evidence, but from the Y! article, the only evidence is records that can't be directly tied back to Miami players directly. Could those records actually be the charges that Shapiro alleges were used for illegal benefits? Sure. Do we know that as a fact? No, we don't, and it would be wrong to assume that they are concrete evidence by all moral accounts.

As far as Shapiro's testimony, well, the guy is a professional liar with an ax to grind against UM. Take that for what it's worth.

The players are saying nothing because they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by speaking to the NCAA.

That said, I don't know what will happen as far as punishment goes. But, to me, this is a last plea by the NCAA, not a new way of prosecuting NCAA offenders.

edit: I also want to make another thing clear: I have no idea if these allegations are true or not. I'm just saying the evidence, from the surface, appears to be pretty flimsy. To be honest, it wouldn't have surprised me at all if the NCAA had found much more evidence that Yahoo missed. Where there's smoke, there's generally fire. I'm not naive enough to not admit that. There was obviously a lot of bad things happening. But telling the players that not cooperating is an admission of guilt is something that reeks badly of desperation.

Miaoww · 11-24-2012, 08:57 AM

Surely this is illegal? It's basically blackmail - "Talk to us or we'll find you guilty".

I'm sure the high priced lawyers of several NFL Canes will have a field day with this. NCAA have just opened up Pandora's box.

TACKLE · 11-27-2012, 02:58 PM

Duke wins ACC Rookie of the Year!

draftguru151 · 11-28-2012, 04:10 PM

Duke finished with 2060 apy and 13 TDs. Ran for 6.8 yards a carry. Insane year. Deon Bush finished 2nd in DROTY in the ACC. Also...

draftguru151 · 11-29-2012, 05:46 PM

descendency · 11-29-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by djp

Stumbled across this excerpt from the Cam Newton wiki page. See bolded. Anyone think this logic is being applied in the Shapiro case? Gee, no wonder people think the NCAA picks and chooses who gets crushed.

Cam Newton's case never had the man who paid the money saying "I gave them money, strippers/hookers, cars, and other gifts", though.