Why Is Nobody Talking About Zac Dysert?

DraftSwag · 12-06-2012, 08:30 PM

Just wanted to find out your thoughts on this guy. Talked to some people and they said he is a sure fire early round pick. Saw you guys talking about a few big school guys, but failed to mention him. Apparently the guy is a stud and teams are drooling over him. Any thoughts?

Scott Wright · 12-06-2012, 08:40 PM

I've been talking about Dysert since the summer and he's been on my "Underrated" list all year.

My guess is Dysert doesn't get a lot of ink because he plays in the MAC.

DraftSwag · 12-06-2012, 08:50 PM

I got to watch him play against Ohio State and he played really well. Apparently he's considered a 2nd round talent. Interested to see what happens with his stock as the process moves along.

Brown Leader · 12-07-2012, 08:11 AM

It's the hair.

EDIT - was....http://www.muredhawks.com/ViewArticl...CLID=205820249

AntoinCD · 12-07-2012, 08:13 AM

I've only seen bits and pieces of Dysert and he looks like he has the tools. Y.F.S is the guy to ask about Dysert

descendency · 12-07-2012, 08:33 AM

Because no one watches MAC games.

DraftSwag · 12-07-2012, 09:52 AM

The MAC was a solid conference this year. Kind of baffles me to see the Mountain West get so much love, but the MAC never really gets that much attention. They have a few draftable players in the conference.

y.f.s. · 12-07-2012, 10:18 AM

I think he's got the best functional set of tools in this class. He makes more mistakes than you'd like from a four year starter. Further, they've completely pulled his feet out from under him with the offensive design change that's occurred throughout this season.

This last year, Miami (OH) has gone from more under center stuff (which Dysert is legitimately good at) to an Empty formation Gun/Spread. Basically, it looks like the Mizzou offense under Gabbert now. Catch the snap, throw to 1st read on a Quick concept - if that's not there, try to run. And he's really not suited for that, and it's gotten him into bad habits dropping his eyes and watching the pass rush.

If he comes to Mobile and is lights out running a not-******** offense (like I think he will), he shoots way, way, way up. That's basically been my stance of him since early this season.

Oh, and videos:

BuckeyeDan17 · 12-07-2012, 12:25 PM

The throw at 0:35 vs osu was pretty impressive. If his receivers weren't dropping everything that game he might have beat us. 1:59 sticks out too.

SuperMcGee · 12-07-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

I've been talking about Dysert since the summer and he's been on my "Underrated" list all year.

My guess is Dysert doesn't get a lot of ink because he plays in the MAC.

On a bad, bad MAC team. I'm not in love with Dysert but he had one awful supporting cast.

y.f.s. · 12-07-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMcGee

On a bad, bad MAC team. I'm not in love with Dysert but he had one awful supporting cast.

Watch his WRs try to run the Snag/Triangle concept at the :20 second mark in the Boise video. They all get mashed and compressed together. Just disgusting.

Unbiased · 12-07-2012, 12:50 PM

Maybe it's just me, but he really reminds me of Cutler.

Brown Leader · 12-07-2012, 01:09 PM

He's Kyle Orton.

bucfan12 · 12-07-2012, 01:10 PM

His problem is he doesn't really scan the field well. Locks in on 1 side of te field. He's got the physical tools but he's got some questionable instanglibles and some accuracy issues.

y.f.s. · 12-07-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

His problem is he doesn't really scan the field well. Locks in on 1 side of te field. He's got the physical tools but he's got some questionable instanglibles and some accuracy issues.

Eh, the idea of "scanning the field" is so overrated. No QB really does that. Most of the time you a coverage key (direction of the MLB drop, the safety rotation, the weakside flat rotation, etc) and that determines the route progression.

There are "reads" and there are "progressions" - they are two separate things, although the two are intertwined. Nobody just goes back there and scans from left to right, even in the NFL. I think there's a lot of confusion on this, because I always hear (not necessarily about Dysert, but QBs in general) that "he locked onto his first read" when a "read" requires at least two receivers and a defender to key off of. The "read" is actually of the defensive player.

Further, so much of the stuff they do is Empty Gun/Spread stuff, so it's all Quick concepts. Quicks are all based on taking advantage of structural deficiencies the defense shows pre-snap. If you try to "read' or "scan" a 3-step concept post snap, you will get killed.

bucfan12 · 12-07-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by y.f.s.

Eh, the idea of "scanning the field" is so overrated. No QB really does that. Most of the time you a coverage key (direction of the MLB drop, the safety rotation, the weakside flat rotation, etc) and that determines the route progression.

There are "reads" and there are "progressions" - they are two separate things, although the two are intertwined. Nobody just goes back there and scans from left to right, even in the NFL. I think there's a lot of confusion on this, because I always hear (not necessarily about Dysert, but QBs in general) that "he locked onto his first read" when a "read" requires at least two receivers and a defender to key off of. The "read" is actually of the defensive player.

Further, so much of the stuff they do is Empty Gun/Spread stuff, so it's all Quick concepts. Quicks are all based on taking advantage of structural deficiencies the defense shows pre-snap. If you try to "read' or "scan" a 3-step concept post snap, you will get killed.

Making reads pre-snap will measure your QBs success as well .

I think his physical attribuites and raw talent will get him in the 1st round, because the demand for QBs is very high with many teams needing 1. But in a regular draft, where the class isn't so "suspect", he'd be a developmental 2nd/3rd round guy.

y.f.s. · 12-07-2012, 03:27 PM

I really like his talent, but his regression over the course of the season in that offense is concerning to me. The Empty Quick Gun/Spreads where they ask the QB to be an improviser/runner simply because he's athletic (and not because he's a good improviser - I think they're inherently different skills) force their QBs to pick up more bad habits than the Air Raid or other types of spread-to-pass systems.

That's why I say the Senior Bowl is so important for him - because he's had success (and more of it) doing under center things.

norcalgsr · 12-07-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Unbiased

Maybe it's just me, but he really reminds me of Cutler.

Doesn't have the pure arm of Cutler. I think I read someone compared him to Nick Foles recently.

Flaming Mo · 12-07-2012, 04:06 PM

I would like the Jets to give him a look in the second round. He might be solid value there and he could compete with Sanchez next year.

SchizophrenicBatman · 12-07-2012, 10:37 PM

Hard to tell from those videos but does he kind of throw the ball like injured Stafford (short armed side angle - kind of like a baseball reliever)?

descendency · 12-07-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

Making reads pre-snap will measure your QBs success as well .

I think his physical attribuites and raw talent will get him in the 1st round, because the demand for QBs is very high with many teams needing 1. But in a regular draft, where the class isn't so "suspect", he'd be a developmental 2nd/3rd round guy.

the problem with pre-snap reads is that a lot of offenses don't allow QBs much latitude in what happens during the play or pre-snap or at least it never seems like they do.