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Old 12-11-2012, 01:30 PM    (permalink
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Yea, I've been reading all this. Basically, Tags says there is more than enough evidence to say they did it but won't suspend them and holds Saints coaches/organization accountable.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:37 PM    (permalink
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Yea, I've been reading all this. Basically, Tags says there is more than enough evidence to say they did it but won't suspend them and holds Saints coaches/organization accountable.
Because the coaches can't fight back like the players. It's ********.
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Because the coaches can't fight back like the players. It's ********.
Maybe because your coaches are dirty little scumbags?
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Maybe because your coaches are dirty little scumbags?
Yeah we're not the patriots.
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Yeah we're not the patriots.
Yeah, the Patriots actually have a good team.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:08 PM    (permalink
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Yeah, the Patriots actually have a good team.
Which has nothing to do with this conversation but our Super Bowl says differently.
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I was wondering how long it would take for you to say that. Took one post longer than i expected.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:57 PM    (permalink
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Maybe because your coaches are dirty little scumbags?

I don't really care about players or teams personalities, but it's funny that a Cowboys fan would go anywhere tooting the character horn. Especially given that your squeaky clean upper management is going to be on their knees slurping our "scumbag" coach to bring him to your organization ;)

I don't understand. They're basically saying the players did it, but they won't show the evidence and also won't suspend them? Lol.
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I don't get how any rational human being with a brain can believe that the coaches and players did nothing here.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:01 PM    (permalink
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I don't get how any rational human being with a brain can believe that the coaches and players did nothing here.
I don't think anybody believes that, I think everyone is wondering why the Saints are the only team getting blasted with draft pick loss, losing your coach for the whole year, and multiple players suspended. Other players came out admitting it goes on in other places, or even implicated people like Gregg Williams doing it in Buffalo and Washington. Why no fines for everyone?

It's obvious the Saints knew about it, but they were trying way too hard to make a harsh example out of the Saints, now they got egg on their face, and they're trying to backpedal and save face.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:05 PM    (permalink
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I find the NFL’s contentions lacking in merit. In dealing with pay-for-performance pools that appear comparable to Fujita’s pool, the League has emphasized club responsibility for ensuring player compliance with League policies, and has disciplined clubs - - but not players - -
for non-compliance. For example, in separate instances involving the Green Bay Packers and New England Patriots in 2007 and 2008, the League fined the clubs $25,000 or less, without disciplining any player. Notably, the 2007 discipline letter to the Patriots stated that:

You have confirmed that a number of Patriots’ players
were in violation of this rule [prohibiting bonuses paid by players
to their teammates as a reward for game performance]. Fine
money assessed and collected by the players was distributed as
rewards to players for achieving an onfield incentive during a
game.

. . . While the Patriots’ players emphatically denied that
rewards were offered for targeting specific players or for taking
them out of the game, this issue underscores the importance of
prohibiting these types of bonuses; if an injury does occur, the
mere existence of a specific bonus for onfield performance against
a particular team invites unnecessary speculation that a player or
players may have been a target for overzealous defenders.
As you have acknowledged, it is the club’s responsibility to
inform its players of the parameters of the rule and monitor their
compliance.

Accordingly, the NFL’s decision to suspend a player here for participating in a program for which the League typically fines a club certainly raises significant issues regarding inconsistent treatment between players and teams.
From page 17 of the report. The last line is what I'm stuck at. I don't think Goodell has some certain vendetta against the Saints, but I can't help but think he would go after one of the less spotlighted teams to make an example before he would go against one that has a ton of media members that would make a big stink about it.

Very inconsistent treatment. We were given a death sentence for a crime that usually results in a ticket and a warning.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:08 PM    (permalink
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Paul just comes up with the most neutral response to make this go away and allow everyone to feel like they were right...

For Goodell and his immense and out of control ego he told him that he was right in his judgement that the players were involved.

For the players he took away the punishment.

Both sides get to walk away feeling they were right.

Of course... the Vilma defamation case was always the most interesting part of it all and that is ongoing and realistically this result doesn't change anything on that front.
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