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Old 12-11-2012, 03:51 PM    (permalink
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Scotty, you don't have to say it, it's implied with your 2nd most attempts=more Turnovers point. Goodness
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Scotty, you don't have to say it, it's implied with your 2nd most attempts=more Turnovers point. Goodness
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what.

It's obvious that having more pass attempts is going to lead to more turnovers. I NEVER said that made him more efficient than RG3. I'm pointing out stats. I'm not taking a ******* side.

the flip side is RG3's 18 TD's on less pass attempts.

BUT EVERYONE IS AGAINST RG3 HERPDERPDERP
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Sometimes they do, I completely agree but also Stats can skew reality when someone wants them to. In this case they paint a very accurate picture.

And if you don't think that RG3 being far more efficient than Luck and a better running threat doesn't lighten his passing attempt totals then you have more to learn than I do.
So stats can be manipulated to make a certain point by some people, but when you use stats it is done in a perfectly fair way? Let me also remind you that you are a Redskins homer and most of the people arguing with you aren't Colts homers or Redskins haters? Likely story Mr
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Yeah I mosread your post my bad im driving.
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So stats can be manipulated to make a certain point by some people, but when you use stats it is done in a perfectly fair way? Let me also remind you that you are a Redskins homer and most of the people arguing with you aren't Colts homers or Redskins haters? Likely story Mr
No they are draft homers and Luck is the ultimate QB prospect.

And when did I ever say that I utilize them in a perfect way? I just refute some of the context people try to apply to them.
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Just to get this thread back on track, here is how RGIII and Luck (and Wilson) are stacking up metric wise (this is obviously just raw data and has to be properly contextualized):

Drop % (% of pass att that are dropped): RGIII - 8.5, Luck - 7.3, Wilson - 5.5

Accuracy % (what completion% would look like when drops, spikes, throw aways etc aren't factored in): RGIII - 79.7, Wilson - 75.1, Luck - 67.1

YIA% (% of yards that come before the catch): Luck - 64.0, Wilson - 62.9, RGIII - 53.6

Deep Passing Acc % (completion % (including drops) of balls thrown for 20 yards or more): RGIII - 51.6, Wilson - 46.4, Luck - 41.8 [Important to note that RGIII attempts deep throws about half as much as Wilson and Luck]

Pressure % (% of dropbacks under pressure): Wilson - 39.0, Luck - 38.1, RGIII - 36.3

Completion % Under Pressure: RGIII - 59.2, Wilson - 44.2, Luck - 41.7

Accuracy % Under Pressure: RGIII - 78.2, Wilson - 63.9, Luck - 54.5

Source: PFF
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jsagan is the funniest person here.

or saddest.

if he's a doctoral candidate, I fear for our education system.

Despite people giving valid arguments against him, he ignores them, calls everyone else idiots, belittles everyone who disagrees with him and continues to babble on.

classic internet.
Pretty much this. Ive asked him to elaborate several times on his arguments about new players and coaches have made that big of an impact on the Colts turn around thats on par with Luck and he still has yet to amswer or even touch any of cudders usual awesome posts. And then blames all his grammar mistakes on his phone. Im on a phone too "tard"
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RG3 IS ******* UNREAL. he is. I love RG3. He's a ridiculous talent who I'm terrified to face 2 times a year.

He's an incredible talent and having a superb year...... I get it.

He's making the Redskins relevant after being the laughingstock of the NFC and perennial doormat of the league for the past 7 years....
So insults to jsagan77 aside, which are easy to do, is your vote at this particular point in time going to Griffin, or to Luck, and why?

And begin...... 3......2.......1....
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Luck's season is pretty Manning-esque, actually.

It reminds me of the year Eli threw 20 picks in the regular season before the Giants caught fire and beat the undefeated Pats in the Super Bowl.
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No one is going to say anything about this??
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I always mosread posts when im driving.
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Luck's season is pretty Manning-esque, actually.

It reminds me of the year Eli threw 20 picks in the regular season before the Giants caught fire and beat the undefeated Pats in the Super Bowl.
True.
Statistically, Luck's season is pretty close to Tony Romo.
Romo is averaging 302 yards a game, with 20 TDs & 16 Ints.
Luck is averaging 292 yards a game, with 18 TDs & 18 Ints.
Both have had some nice 4th quarter moments this year.

Ironically, Griffin also has 18 TD passes like Luck does.
Russell Wilson only has 20 TD passes, and 9 ints.
Interestingly, Wilson has thrown 200 fewer passes than Andrew, but has 2 more touchdowns still. But Luck does have double the Ints, so Wilson has a long way to go there.
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I think we're all just quietly hoping he drives off a cliff
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Honolulu stop and go traffic is great for texting and driving but awful for driving off cliffs. I hope you live in a great area for that though and can Spare some time to try that out.
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True.
Statistically, Luck's season is pretty close to Tony Romo.
Romo is averaging 302 yards a game, with 20 TDs & 16 Ints.
Luck is averaging 292 yards a game, with 18 TDs & 18 Ints.
Both have had some nice 4th quarter moments this year.

Ironically, Griffin also has 18 TD passes like Luck does.
Russell Wilson only has 20 TD passes, and 9 ints.
Interestingly, Wilson has thrown 200 fewer passes than Andrew, but has 2 more touchdowns still. But Luck does have double the Ints, so Wilson has a long way to go there.
This is pretty much what I compared Lucks season to. Romo is a good QB in my book and clutch as well. He has bone head moments that get his team in trouble but he always seems to bring them back. Luck does a lot of the same stuff and never quits trying.
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Bump. QFT. +Rep. Sagan if you're going to post again please counter this post in a mature fashion.
The second part of his post I'll comment on now. Okay so RG3 is 25th in passing attempts and Luck is second. You said his team is asking him to do it all and didn't give him a crutch.

Are you taking into account the fact that RG3 broke the Rookie rushing record for QB's two weeks ago and has 24 TD's? He IS the redskins offense. Those are 700+ yards that he's added by to the team as well so when you factor in everything Luck Only averages like 37 +\- ypg than RG3 (not that much really) and RG3 has missed some time so the number would probably be a bit closer had he not.

I guess I don't get the crutch remark. His style offense should not be viewed in a negative way IMO.

I mean if your going to go that route then what about the advantage luck has playing in a Dome? He's a lot better at home than he is on the road where RG3 has been a much better traveler than Luck and has had to play in the elements much more. (some context for you guys since you love it and I'm a giver).

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Wow so funny.
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The second part of his post I'll comment on now. Okay so RG3 is 25th in passing attempts and Luck is second. You said his team is asking him to do it all and didn't give him a crutch. Are you taking into account the fact that RG3 broke the Rookie rushing record for QB's two weeks ago and has 24 TD's? He IS the redskins offense.
This is what is so mind-boggling about your posts. Nobody is even arguing about whether or not RGIII "IS" the Redskins offense, because he IS. It's just totally beside the point... because they both are.

Andrew Luck currently has 537 pass attempts, 49 rushing attempts and has been sacked 32 times. His other running backs combined for 307 rushing attempts. Counting sacks as pass attempts, that's 618 plays that depended directly on Luck to 307 that didn't, or 66.8% of the Colt's offense.

RGIII currently has 351 pass attempts, 112 rushes and has been sacked 28 times. His running backs have combined for 302 rushes. Again counting sacks as pass attempts, RGIII has had a total of 491 plays. Adding the plays Kirk Cousins has accounted for in brief injury relief, RGIII has accounted directly for 60.9% of his team's offense.

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Those are 700+ yards that he's added by to the team as well so when you factor in everything Luck Only averages like 37 +\- ypg than RG3 (not that much really) and RG3 has missed some time so the number would probably be a bit closer had he not.
I like how you take Luck's having 37 ypg more than RGIII (which is a lot by the way) and conveniently make it a "+/-", as if you can actually do that. It's +37.
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