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View Poll Results: Who's your MVP entering Sunday week 12
P Manning 28 50.00%
A Rodgers 4 7.14%
T Brady 12 21.43%
R Griffin 1 1.79%
D Brees 3 5.36%
M Ryan 2 3.57%
A Peterson 4 7.14%
A Foster 0 0%
M Lynch 1 1.79%
Other: Who? 1 1.79%
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:38 PM    (permalink
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Give me Brady as MVP, and then put Manning & Adrian filling in Comeback player and offensive player interchangeably. Both fit either award honestly.
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Did a Pat fan really mention in their argument when Brady went down?

You still won 11 games. With Cassel....
The Chiefs won 10 games with Cassel, he's fine if in a system which is what McDaniels did for him. Plus, they had Moss and Welker. But keep hating, Based Brady will collect his MVP.
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fair, maybe i missed a sarcasm tag.

in any case, my vote is still with brady. that current patriots team would be colts-level awful without him, not the front runners for the super bowl. again.

peterson should win the OPOTY unanimously. but i just don't see any way he's more valuable than brady.
I'd prefer Brady over Manning, too. I think Peyton's story is improving his case here, but he basically had his pick of teams and chose the team that he thought would be easiest to win with. Denver's so talented, it just makes sense. I think New England's got a weaker overall squad (biggest diferences on the defensive side, obviously), so given that they're both top playoff seeds I'd go with Brady. Think the Broncos would definitely be a top team in the NFL with AP and without Manning, though. Ponder's just bad. He's not even average.
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Are the Broncos really that talented? They have a nice pair of WRs, a nice pair of pass rushers, a solid OL, but that's about it. I think Brady's got more talent to work with even if his best weapons have been hurt.
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aside meh, i'd take the pats TEs, RBs and like, 1 of their LBs over what's on the donkey's roster. i think that's a supremely talentless team, otherwise, that's solely this good because of brady on offense, and belichick on defense.
I think the Pats have a good front 7, Wilfork's a monster, Jones was having a great rookie year, Hightower, Spikes and Mayo can all contribute. The Secondary's a weakness, but it's not like Denver's got a great secondary either. Offensively the running game's been reliable, the two TEs when healthy are game changers, Welker, Lloyd and co can do enough. I think it's pretty even for both Peyton and Brady, although I give the nod to NE.
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Mvp: Brady
Opoty: AD
Dpoty: Watt
CBPOTY: Manning
OROTY: RG3
DROTY: Kulechy
Coach of the year: Mike Shanahan (if skins make the playoffs) if not then Pete Carrol.
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wtf does tebow being 'one of the most talked about athletes ever' have to do with anything? what a ludicrous argument for anything.
I threw that in there rather than saying Tim Tebow, just my choice of words. It didn't have to do with an argument at all.
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Colts fan.

I would have Brady as MVP. He is playing at another level right now.
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Give me Brady as MVP, and then put Manning & Adrian filling in Comeback player and offensive player interchangeably. Both fit either award honestly.
This I also find very stupid. The voters should be voting on who they feel most deserves each award. Who won or is going to win other awards should not be a factor. They're supposed to be their own award, not consolation prizes.
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Surprised most are picking Manning. I knows it's already been brought up, but he is playing on a team that was in the playoffs, and was one game away from the AFC championship game, with Tim Tebow as a starter, just a year ago. That is not to say we are not a better team, especially against the elite teams. I just feel this team probably wins the division with a decent backup QB.

I would also like to point out, that 2 of the 3 games we lost is because Manning was throwing terrible picks. He had as many picks in the Falcons game as Brady has had all season. Not that that is news, Manning has always turned the ball over at a higher clip(in some cases much higher) than Brady. This year kinda reminds me of 2 years ago for Brady. He has been ridiculously efficent, especially careful about turning the ball over. Which makes him my MVP.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...n-ladder/7285/

Each interception decreases your teams chance to win, by about 20%. Which is why I always have thought of Brady so high, when comparing QB's. He is throwing just as much as the other elite QB's. Similar yards, TD's, high powered offense, and usually throws 1/2 to 1/3 of the amount of picks as the other elites, I think its an easy choice.. He gives his chance more of a chance to win, than anyone in football(imo).

I like Peterson as well, I think a great running back, especially with his skillset can be as dominate as a great QB, just in a different way. I mean, handing him the ball is just as effective as the Vikings throwing the ball. So its pick your poison, so in that way, he is very valuable in his own right.

I would still pick Brady.
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meh, we have no running game and no run defense. and brady's currently unstoppable. we'll be done in the first if you don't stumble against the 49ers and we somehow beat the ravens.
Pretty much this.. I guess it could happen, but if they address the runnning game, along with getting a big body or 2 to take up spaces, or possibly a dominate run stopping MLB, this team would be nearly complete. A lot to ask for in just an off season though.
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Did a Pat fan really mention in their argument when Brady went down?

You still won 11 games. With Cassel....
That's a good point, but you have to remember that was most of the team was left over from the team that went 16-0 and one prayer of a throw away from winning the superbowl.

Also, although Cassel sucks. He had a solid year, followed by a couple more, including leading KC to the playoffs. Not that this holds weight, because Josh Mcdaniels a ******* tool, but he was willing to ship Jay Cutler to KC for Cassel, to give you an idea of how high he thought of him. So its not as if he was a complete bum, who did it. He proved to be a decent starter at his peak.
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Did a Pat fan really mention in their argument when Brady went down?

You still won 11 games. With Cassel....
I did but clearly you didn't want to actually read what I said. I stated that Peterson makes the Vikings from being a bad team to a middle of the road team. Brady makes the Pats consistent Superbowl contenders and the only year they haven't won the division with him there since 2002 was the year he was hurt. When talking of relative value then how does that not make sense?

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That's a good point, but you have to remenber that was most of the team that was 16 and one prayer of a throw away from winning the superbowl.

Also, although Cassel sucks. He had a solid year, followed by a couple more, including the playoffs. So its not as if, it was a complete bum who did it.
This. It's not as though that Pats team was a terrible team. Cassell was throwing to Welker at the top of his game, he had a great offensive line and he had Randy Moss just off a season for the ages. Tom Brady has taken far worse teams to 13+ wins, and when people talk about MVP being on a good team this is what it is about. Sure Peterson may add more wins to a team but he doesn't make the Vikings legitimate contenders. It's not his fault, it is simply the fact that no position has the value of a QB. It sucks for all other players, but basically unless a player from another position is so ridiculously good he can blow all stats away and single handidly turn his team into a Superbowl team then they probably won't win the award.
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I would have Brady as MVP. He is playing at another level right now.
What's he doing right now, lately, that Manning isn't?
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he says, before the pats win 67-0.
I hope you're right! Probably not though. Willis and Bowman are scary.
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- Peyton Manning this season has an NFL-high 19 TDs after halftime. Manning has 9 TDs and 0 INT in the 4th quarter.
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- Peyton Manning this season has an NFL-high 19 TDs after halftime. Manning has 9 TDs and 0 INT in the 4th quarter.
That must be the dumbest stat ever put forward in a MVP discussion. Jesus ******* christ! What the **** does it mean that you don't throw INTs in the fourth quarter when you throw them in the first three? That doesn't take the INTs away god dammit. Manning has 10 INTs, Brady has 3. What do you expect to achieve with this "argument"?

IMO the MVP race standings right now is:

1. Tom Brady
2. JJ Watt
3. Adrian Peterson
4. Peyton Manning

Those are probably the only players worthy of the award this year. Brady is playing at a 2007-level or higher despite not having consistently healthy playmakers and a mix and match offensive line. That's pretty ******* impressive.
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That must be the dumbest stat ever put forward in a MVP discussion. Jesus ******* christ! What the **** does it mean that you don't throw INTs in the fourth quarter when you throw them in the first three? That doesn't take the INTs away god dammit. Manning has 10 INTs, Brady has 3. What do you expect to achieve with this "argument"?

IMO the MVP race standings right now is:

1. Tom Brady
2. JJ Watt
3. Adrian Peterson
4. Peyton Manning

Those are probably the only players worthy of the award this year. Brady is playing at a 2007-level or higher despite not having consistently healthy playmakers and a mix and match offensive line. That's pretty ******* impressive.
Spot on, a int is an int no matter what point in the game. As pointed out above, each pick, no matter the quarter, decreases your chance to win by roughly 20%. They(Broncos) have been better now, but the first half of the year, they were playing catchup the second half because the offense burried itself with turnovers. So I would expect him to have good numbers. They were forced to constantly air it out to get back in the games.
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With that said Manning really should be right there with Brady in this race. It will be interesting to see how the big three (including Peterson) get awarded Comeback player, offensive player,and MVP.
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That must be the dumbest stat ever put forward in a MVP discussion. Jesus ******* christ! What the **** does it mean that you don't throw INTs in the fourth quarter when you throw them in the first three? That doesn't take the INTs away god dammit. Manning has 10 INTs, Brady has 3. What do you expect to achieve with this "argument"?

IMO the MVP race standings right now is:

1. Tom Brady
2. JJ Watt
3. Adrian Peterson
4. Peyton Manning

Those are probably the only players worthy of the award this year. Brady is playing at a 2007-level or higher despite not having consistently healthy playmakers and a mix and match offensive line. That's pretty ******* impressive.
This must be the dumbest post I have ever read on here, and that is saying something.
1, to credit JJ Watt and completely overlook Von Miller being just as dominant, if not more dominant than Watt.
2, the award is most valuable. Peyton Manning has turned the Broncos around and made them a force on offense, which greatly helps the defense. Manning changed teams, new players, "new" scheme, and he still has put up amazing numbers and made the Broncos a legit Super Bowl contender after everybody had been laughing at them for playing Tebow.
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