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Old 12-16-2012, 05:27 PM    (permalink
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So does he throw this mystical knuckleball along with a Gyroball and round out his repertoire with a Ephus?
Look, I'm not saying that Toronto wouldn't be risking here.

Like I said, he isn't a typical knuckleball pitcher. He actually has some effort in his delivery and his arm is already f'ed up. I highly doubt that he'll keep it up for very long.

Plus there is a big difference between pitching in Citi Field and in SkyDome.
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So does he throw this mystical knuckleball along with a Gyroball and round out his repertoire with a Ephus?
I made a pitcher like that once in a video game. Unstoppable.
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Look, I'm not saying that Toronto wouldn't be risking here.

Like I said, he isn't a typical knuckleball pitcher. He actually has some effort in his delivery and his arm is already f'ed up. I highly doubt that he'll keep it up for very long.

Plus there is a big difference between pitching in Citi Field and in SkyDome.
Sorry I had to be an ass. I am just saying that sure he isn't the same guy he was when he played with Texas but I still don't see him being able to keep up what he did last season. Hell I have a hard time seeing him throw up the numbers he did two seasons ago.

Its just that he is going to play with a worse defensive infield, face better hitters and is relying on the most unpredictable pitch baseball has ever seen. I don't see him having enough success with the Jays to warrent trading your 3rd best pitching prospect and your best prospect that is easily (if he can stay there/ healthy) one of the best catching prospects in over a decade.
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Catchers are very rarely the cornerstone players of a team. Such a volatile position. d'Arnaud has some plate discipline issues as well as some injury concerns, so the Jays trading him to get a pitcher of Dickey's caliber is fine to me

If I'm the Jays though, I'd be more hesitant on having to include Syndergaard in the deal as well, especially if what they are getting back beyond Dickey is Josh Thole and then some "non elite" prospect
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Catchers are very rarely the cornerstone players of a team. Such a volatile position. d'Arnaud has some plate discipline issues as well as some injury concerns, so the Jays trading him to get a pitcher of Dickey's caliber is fine to me

If I'm the Jays though, I'd be more hesitant on having to include Syndergaard in the deal as well, especially if what they are getting back beyond Dickey is Josh Thole and then some "non elite" prospect
Agreed. I have come to terms with D'Arnaud being moved but Syndergaard really hurts. The Jays still have a bunch of great pitching prospects coming up but I thought D'Arnaud would have been enough to get Dickey. Looking right now like Dickey is asking for more from the Jays than he was from the Mets so we will see how this turns out.
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Wait, really? He is? That's weird
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Wait, really? He is? That's weird
Pure speculation via twitter but that is what I am reading. I have been wrong before so who knows. Numbers I heard before were 2 years 26 mill, he appears to want more now.
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kind of a dick move if that's the case. Wasn't the 2yr/$26 mill the number HE floated out for what he wanted?
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:41 PM    (permalink
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kind of a dick move if that's the case. Wasn't the 2yr/$26 mill the number HE floated out for what he wanted?
Not a dick move. Consider the 2/26 a home team discount. He probably didn't want to uproot his family (again) over a couple million bucks of haggling with the Mets.
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Apparently Xio is the only one here who understands what's going on.
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Good point. Sounds like they'll have until next Tuesday to get an extension done, and if they do then it's a done deal
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Agreed. I have come to terms with D'Arnaud being moved but Syndergaard really hurts. The Jays still have a bunch of great pitching prospects coming up but I thought D'Arnaud would have been enough to get Dickey. Looking right now like Dickey is asking for more from the Jays than he was from the Mets so we will see how this turns out.
Whats the book on Syndergaard? Where's he ranked in BA?
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Whats the book on Syndergaard? Where's he ranked in BA?
Unranked right now. Will probably be near the bottom when the new one is released. He continues to get better and looks to develop into a very good number 2, possibly an ace. I really like him as a prospect.
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This is incredibly risky for Toronto. A bit unnecessary.
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I am seeing Daniel Norris ranked at the Jays best pitching prospect. He has a down year and probably is no better than 5th now after Aaron Sanchez, Roberto Osuna, Matt Smoral, and Marcus Stroman. Still a lot of pitching depth after this trade and A.J. Jimenez is a very nice C prospect.
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Can't believe AA is getting schooled. Gonzo any word on what prospect we're sending your way?
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Can't believe AA is getting schooled. Gonzo any word on what prospect we're sending your way?
I am hearing nothing yet. Jays have a ton of high upside non elite prospects so I am hoping it's not one of them. Any word on who the Mets are sending the Jays way?
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Not sure either but Mets fans are thinking the same thing. We have a lot of younger Latin pitchers with good stuff and high upside so we assume it's one of them. As long as it's not Michael Fulmer I'll be happy.
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Not sure either but Mets fans are thinking the same thing. We have a lot of younger Latin pitchers with good stuff and high upside so we assume it's one of them. As long as it's not Michael Fulmer I'll be happy.
Do you know what positions the Mets are looking to fill out in their system? I can give you an idea of guys the Jays have that they could be moving? You greedy bastards though, I was thinking D'Arnaud for Dickey was enough so hopefully with Syndergaard heading you way as well you can send one of those Latins back. I was thinking you guys may be sending one of your SS's the Jays way.
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I can tell you everything about the Mets farm. We have 2 SS's that we just got in Rosario and Cechinni but there is no way it's one of them going your way. It's definitely one of our pitchers or Aderlin Rodriguez who is a mid upside power hitter. He plays 3B and is boom or bust big time. I'm high on him though. System wise we're stocked on pitching but no C or OF.
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I can tell you everything about the Mets farm. We have 2 SS's that we just got in Rosario and Cechinni but there is no way it's one of them going your way. It's definitely one of our pitchers or Aderlin Rodriguez who is a mid upside power hitter. He plays 3B and is boom or bust big time. I'm high on him though. System wise we're stocked on pitching but no C or OF.
A high upside power hitter is certainly a need. Jays have a ton of speed in the system but not much as far as power hitters go, especially in the IF.

Jays have a number of catchers in the system but D'Arnaud is heading your way. Also have a number of nice OF prospects. Jacob Anderson has a ton of upside and looks the part physically but had a terrible 2012 season. Kevin Pillar surprised everyone with his bat, having a great season, but is already 23. Both Chris Hawkins and Marcus Knecht have looked good and could end up as regulars in the bigs. There are a number of other recently drafted high upside OFs that I just don't see the Jays parting with.
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Mets are gonna win this trade but Jays need Dickey to win this division.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:13 PM    (permalink
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The division is more up for grabs than it will probably ever be again.
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I am seeing Daniel Norris ranked at the Jays best pitching prospect. He has a down year and probably is no better than 5th now after Aaron Sanchez, Roberto Osuna, Matt Smoral, and Marcus Stroman. Still a lot of pitching depth after this trade and A.J. Jimenez is a very nice C prospect.
BP, BA and Minor League Ball have Syndergaard as the Jays 2nd best prospect behind only d'Arnaud for this season. He's ranked ahead of Aaron Sanchez
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