Homeland Discussion Thread **SPOILERS**

[Brodeur]

Abu Nazir of S1 isn't even a villain like Abu Nazir S2 is a villain.

[Smooth Criminal]

Brody was definitely the main villain the first season and a half. Once they caught it him it became Nazir. No way can Estes ever live up to that.

[Brodeur]

The point is that it would be stupid to make Estes the villain, and I wouldn't like it nearly as much.

[vidae]

I'm not ENTIRELY sure I'd watch Homeland without Brody in it, but I don't know how they'll keep him on the show now.

[Smooth Criminal]

I'm entirely sure ill give them a chance to start the third season no matter what. They've certainly earned it. From what we've seen these two seasons ill have faith in these writers.

They easily could have slow played this season. Instead we got one of my favorite seasons of tv ever.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

I'm entirely sure ill give them a chance to start the third season no matter what. They've certainly earned it. From what we've seen these two seasons ill have faith in these writers.

They easily could have slow played this season. Instead we got one of my favorite seasons of tv ever.

[Smooth Criminal]

Really. And I don't care what anyone says. I didn't say best, only my favorite. And I can tell you I've never liked a tv show this much.

[Brodeur]

I thought it was going amazingly well until they morphed Nazir into a boring action movie villain. The early episodes in the season were great, and the Brody/Carrie interrogation scene was great TV. But they just killed it after that.

[Smooth Criminal]

Undoubtedly the first 5 episodes or so were the best part of the whole series. But I've thought damn near every episode was awesome and I'm obsessed with the characters.

[Bert Macklin]

Was anyone else waiting on the house to blow up once the kids walked in without the parents at the end if last episode.

[Nalej]

No, but I was expecting Brody to get shot in the head in his car after Mike's girlfriend stepped out and he was just sitting there reflecting/thinking.

[djp]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

Ugh, just ugh. Having Nazir come to the US is going to be the moment where this show took a turn for the worst. I mean, I loved 24 and all, but that show existed in a different world where those kind of storylines fit much better.

I agree with this statement completely. Abu Nazir just got way too close to the other characters. Part of what made his character great was the mysterious nature and disconnect felt from the rest of the cast. It doesn't make sense for Nazir to put himself at risk like that. I guess we'll find out in the finale, but it looks like next season is almost certainly going to be Carrie/Brody trying to hide from the CIA and Saul doing something to take down Estes along the way.

[Smooth Criminal]

It doesn't make sense for him to come to America in real life at all. But for the sake of the show I think I was best. They clearly wanted to wrap up everything to do with Nazir, and that can't be done without killing him. Him coming to America made it so Carrie and company could hunt him down.

But yes in real life there's no way he'd have ever come to America. Just allowed us to get to see him interact with Carrie and her finally bring down the terrorist she's been hunting for years.

[Smooth Criminal]

Definitely nothing like I expected the finale to go. But they certainly did a good job of setting up the 3rd season. But since they've clearly made the show about Brody and Carrie, makes me wonder how much more they can go.

If they even come close to living up to this season, ill be shocked. This is a show I hope they don't take too far, it really could have an amazing run if they have a strong 3rd season planned and end it at that.

[MetSox17]

Anyone think Brody was involved with the explosion? Seemed a little odd the way he reacted when Carrie told him she chose him over the job.

[vidae]

I don't think he was involved.

I need to rewatch this episode. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it if I'm being honest. I've never really cared about the Brody/Carrie relationship stuff, so I'm kind of glad that is ending, but I'm not sure how they're going to keep this all together.

A few thoughts before I go to bed: Saul is the best character on this show. Mandy Patinkin is a ******* badass and should play every role on every TV show from now until forever. Also Quinn is a badass.

That is all.

[MetSox17]

Nevermind. Writers pretty much confirmed that it was just Nazir all along. He played Brody knowing he had already turned and was working for the CIA.

http://www.sho.com/sho/video/titles/...ors-the-choice

[Dr. Gonzo]

That was an incredible finale. I really like how the tied the whole season together and set up the next.

[MetSox17]

Yup. Loved how nothing went unused, save for the filler crap with Dana and Finn. Nazir was always ahead of everyone, that's why they could never catch him. His speech to Carrie prepared us for this. He went to America because he knew that his ultimate plan was to kill some of the most powerful and influential people in the US Government, and at that point the only way he'd be able to do it is by sacrificing himself. Brody was right, he'd die 1000 times over if he had the chance to kill all those people involved. Really glad with how it turned out overall, Quinn threatening Estes was awesome too. Just curious how they're gonna keep Brody as a main character on the show when he's no longer relevant in the terror plot.

[Smooth Criminal]

Carrie working to clear his name while the rest of the CIA hunts for him. Once again, the CIA will be too stupid to listen to always right Carrie.

[Caddy]

Originally Posted by vidae

I don't think he was involved.

I need to rewatch this episode. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it if I'm being honest. I've never really cared about the Brody/Carrie relationship stuff, so I'm kind of glad that is ending, but I'm not sure how they're going to keep this all together.

A few thoughts before I go to bed: Saul is the best character on this show. Mandy Patinkin is a ******* badass and should play every role on every TV show from now until forever. Also Quinn is a badass.

That is all.

I really hope they find a way to involve Quin next season. I doubt the little speech he gave was for nothing and is hopefully an indicator he will be around. He seemed to really turn towards Brody's cause and if anyone would understand whether he was capable of the bombing it would probably be him. He seems like the type of guy who would sniff a cover-up like that from a mile away.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by Caddy

I really hope they find a way to involve Quin next season. I doubt the little speech he gave was for nothing and is hopefully an indicator he will be around. He seemed to really turn towards Brody's cause and if anyone would understand whether he was capable of the bombing it would probably be him. He seems like the type of guy who would sniff a cover-up like that from a mile away.

I was hoping they would show Quin after the explosion and deaths to see his reaction to it. He just gave Estes an ear full about how he only kills bad people and then there is a giant bomb at the CIA and Brody is linked to it. I wonder if he believes Brody is involved or not. He has seen the video before, so he knows that it has nothing to do with the CIA bombing, but maybe he's regretting his decision now.

If he kills Brody, they don't use his car in the bombing, so it likely never takes place.

[MetSox17]

Originally Posted by vidae

I was hoping they would show Quin after the explosion and deaths to see his reaction to it. He just gave Estes an ear full about how he only kills bad people and then there is a giant bomb at the CIA and Brody is linked to it. I wonder if he believes Brody is involved or not. He has seen the video before, so he knows that it has nothing to do with the CIA bombing, but maybe he's regretting his decision now.

If he kills Brody, they don't use his car in the bombing, so it likely never takes place.

Yup, but the writers mention in that clip i posted that his change of heart in recognizing that Brody was now innocent and that Carrie is awesomesauce, unintentionally kept Nazir's plan going, since absolutely no one knew what the true plan was.

I was also curious to see how Quinn would react, but i think it's fair to say that he'd believe Carrie/Brody. Stalking them made him a believer. But i also hope Quinn is back. The CIA had most of their agents wiped out, they might need him to come and run a foreign intelligence unit.

Saul as the CIA director FTW

[vidae]

Yeah I hope Quin is back too. But I am kind of sad that Estes is dead. He was a monumental prick but I liked his character anyway.

And with Brody on the run you can bet that the family is pretty much unnecessary, which sucks because I liked Dana. The rest of them can eat a bowl of poo, but I thought Dana was a great actress and she at least had a little substance behind her.

[MetSox17]

With Brody gone, maybe we'll see more of Ms. Brody's tits.