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I hope the front office can get an extension sorted with Victor Cruz soon.

Tey have been rumoured to be working on an extension for some time, yet haven't gotten anything done.

From all reports, the 2013 cap is likely to be around the same as this years. Cruz is off contract as an RFA. If we can't get an extension done, it will get interesting.

The top RFA tender (this year $2.74 million) provides right of first refusal and a first round pick compentation.
With such a weak draft class at WR, I could see a team willing to give a 1st round pick to sign Cruz to a deal we can't afford to match (there are quite a few teams with considerable cap room)

I don't think we will be in a position to put a franchise tag on Cruz (this year's WR franchise number was $9.515 million).
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Cruz will be a Giant. Don't worry about that.
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Rewatching the Falcons game. Our offense is dated. Teams figured it out. And Nicks is 50% at best. And probably will remain that way all season.

This team, just isn't good enough this year. The talent on the field just isn't as good as last year. It's a combination of players not playing well, injuries, and teams figuring out our option rules.

Defensively, our secondary isn't nearly as good as last year, and our DL isn't either. The scheme is the same crappy scheme we ran last year, but the players have taken a nose dive.

Truth is, this team is not very talented this year. That's the cold hard truth. Our DBs aren't great, our LB core is mediocre, and our DL has more flair than substance.

We aged as a team, almost uniformly. Usually you see 1 or 2 players hit the wall and you move on. We've seen a good 6 players hit the wall this year all at the same time. That's hard to recover from. It's time for a roster overhaul, this unit had their 4 year run together, but they're old, injured, and inexperienced this year. A combination of those 3 really did us in this year.

We might get into the playoffs. Might. But don't expect a SB run from this team, they're just not good enough.

It's gonna take a out of this world effort from our DL all postseason and Nicks to magically play like a healthy Nicks for that to happen. And I don't see that happening.
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You could have said the same thing after Week 15 last year. Besides a broken Nicks it's very comparable.
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A healthy Nicks, Prince and Phillips completely changes the complexion of this team. Depending on if we can at least get the two DBs back on the field and Nicks gets any better, we can absolutely go on another run. I'm not expecting a SB, but I do think we can go to the NFC championship game, and if we get that far who knows how much further we go.
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We've watched this team dominate good teams this year, have fourth quarter comebacks and rally from early deficits. If we make the playoffs I don't see why we couldn't go on a run like last year.

The issue is making the playoffs now, we lost too many winnable games and have put ourselves in a bad position in pretty much a must win game against a very good team. I know baltimore hasn't played well lately, but thats a dangerous team still.
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There's 2 huge differences btw last year and this year:

1. On offense our WR core isn't even close to last year. Nicks isn't healthy this year, Cruz is getting swarmed in the slot, and we haven't replaced Mario. And they figured out our option rules. It's not even close. This isn't something that will fix itself in 2 weeks. This is a problem that will require an entire offseason to fix.

2. On defense, we don't have the same Corey Webster anymore. This is significant because we don't have a lockdown CB anymore and that effects our coverages and our ability to bring pressure. Prince is good, but he's not ready to be what Corey was in his prime. Webster hit the wall, and he's not magically gonna find that magic again.

The other factors could turn around, but those 2 factors, which are significant factors, will not magically fix themselves.

Look, I said at the beginning of the year that I don't expect to repeat as Champs and that a successful season to me is winning 1 playoff game. I still believe we can do that.

And that's fine. I just think that if we're expecting last year's magic to happen again just bc, then you're fooling yourself.
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We are better this year in almost every stat than last year also. We're better offensively this year!! I don't expect the same exact thing to happen but this team is still a good NFL playoff team. Get in and maybe win a game or two and I'll be very happy.
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From BBI:
  • Total Offense (Yards): 2011: 8th (385.1); 2012: 10th (364.6)
  • Points per Game: 2011: 9th (24.6); 2012: 6th (26.6)
  • Passing: 2011: 5th (295.9); 2012: 9th (249.6)
  • Rushing: 2011: 32nd (89.2); 2012: 15th (115.0)
  • Total Defense (Yards): 2011: 27th (376.4); 2012: 28th (377.4)
  • Points Allowed Per Game: 2011: 25th (25.0); 2012: 12th (21.7)
  • Pass Defense: 2011: 29th (255.1); 2012: 28th (253.7)
  • Rush Defense: 2011: 19th (121.2); 2012: 22nd (123.7)
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I'm not concerned about the stats, I'm concerned with how they're getting those stats.

Last year's defense had communication break downs. This year's defense is just not as good, they don't have as many breakdowns but they're not as talented either.

Offensively, from a scheme perspective we have some major issues we didn't have last year. Look at Eli's #s.
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And Nicks is 50% at best. And probably will remain that way all season. .
This is painfully obvious and it sucks. For someone who is just a fan of the game like me, you hate having to see a player gut it up and go play injured and it gives the appearance that's just what they have become now, but Nicks can barely explode anymore he's just using his huge hands and body to shield defenders.


When you see him from the playoff run you guys made last year, and to right now, he's totally different. Having that type of difference maker that you can throw the ball up to in the end zone, or give a slant and have make something happen is a massive advantage to have and he was in a complete zone last year. Really wanted to see him grow coming off of that performance, but if he is banged up again next year it's going to make contract discussions very tricky.
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This is painfully obvious and it sucks. For someone who is just a fan of the game like me, you hate having to see a player gut it up and go play injured and it gives the appearance that's just what they have become now, but Nicks can barely explode anymore he's just using his huge hands and body to shield defenders.


When you see him from the playoff run you guys made last year, and to right now, he's totally different. Having that type of difference maker that you can throw the ball up to in the end zone, or give a slant and have make something happen is a massive advantage to have and he was in a complete zone last year. Really wanted to see him grow coming off of that performance, but if he is banged up again next year it's going to make contract discussions very tricky.
Yeah the guy is a million bucks when healthy but now we have to factor injuries into his contract if we offer him one bc he hasn't had a single season where he was healthy all season.

I don't think we can use this as an excuse though. Because Dallas is 10X more banged up than we are, and they're doing just fine. I hate seeing that as well, Dallas's defense could be so sick when healthy. You guys have quietly developed one of the best LB cores in the league with Ware, Spencer playing out of his mind this year, Carter and Lee inside. But losing Lee and Carter was huge for you guys. And Carr has been worth every penny, and Clairborne is gonna be a keeper as well. Get a 9 tech and a safety and watch out. This defense is already top 5, I can't wait to see how good it could be with those 2 additional pieces.

The only thing we can hope for is that Randle magically steps it up, but I don't think that's gonna happen because he's struggling with our option concepts. Most rookies do.

The more realistic option for us is to hope that Wilson provides a spark. I think he can do it. I'm gonna take the Falcons game as just one of those games. He didn't play well, but the whole team didn't play well.
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I'm not concerned about the stats, I'm concerned with how they're getting those stats.

Last year's defense had communication break downs. This year's defense is just not as good, they don't have as many breakdowns but they're not as talented either.

Offensively, from a scheme perspective we have some major issues we didn't have last year. Look at Eli's #s.
I already proved to you that this year's defense has actually had more breakdowns and it's still better statistically in PPG by far. I think we've had more defensive takeaways this year also compared to last. Offensively our running game is a million times better and Bennett is better than Ballard while Hixon has done less than Mario. It's not scheme, it's Eli playing down to his average self. He's made some terrible decisions this year that he didn't make last year. I agree the Nicks injury has hurt us but the offense is more or less the same.
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I already proved to you that this year's defense has actually had more breakdowns and it's still better statistically in PPG by far. I think we've had more defensive takeaways this year also compared to last. Offensively our running game is a million times better and Bennett is better than Ballard while Hixon has done less than Mario. It's not scheme, it's Eli playing down to his average self. He's made some terrible decisions this year that he didn't make last year. I agree the Nicks injury has hurt us but the offense is more or less the same.
You proved we've given up more big plays this year. That doesn't mean those big plays were the result of communication breakdowns. A lot of those big plays were bc our DBs just aren't as good as last year.

Look at Julio's 2 TDs this past week. It wasn't due to a coverage breakdown. He just roasted our secondary. THAT is what worries me. Last year it was a guy running wide open down the field bc they lost their assignment. This year guys are just getting beat fair and square. HUGE difference.
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You proved we've given up more big plays this year. That doesn't mean those big plays were the result of communication breakdowns. A lot of those big plays were bc our DBs just aren't as good as last year.

Look at Julio's 2 TDs this past week. It wasn't due to a coverage breakdown. He just roasted our secondary. THAT is what worries me. Last year it was a guy running wide open down the field bc they lost their assignment. This year guys are just getting beat fair and square. HUGE difference.
More than half of the big passing plays this year have been breakdowns. Regardless our defense PPG wise is still playing incredibly better than last year. I think Prince is smidge worse than Webster played last year while Webster is playing just as bas CB 2 last year. The S play this year has been much better especially Phillips is in there. I'd call it a wash. The DL play is worse but besides JPP we were complaining about the same thing last year that nobody was getting to the QB.
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Prince has been lights out, but keep in mind he's doing it vs the opposition's #2 WR.

Webster did it vs the opposition's #1. Big difference.

I think next year the roles will be flipped, and Prince will step up to the challenge, but right here right now, he's not quite there yet.
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Prince stepped up in the playoffs last year, what if he does that again? With Phillips back and the DL playing the way they did against the 9ers and GB, that's a defense that can boss any offense on their day.

Offensively it's all Nicks, Hixon's no mario but he's solid, just like Ballard was no Bennett but was solid, with Wilson and a better OL the running game has been a weapon as well. But Nicks being so much less than he was last year is what hurts us and why I don't expect us to repeat, but at this point we're a lot better than last years team was in a lot of ways, at least in this point of their season.
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Canty needs to get healthy too. I think we all underestimated how important Canty is to the middle of our defense.
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Last season at this stage we were 7-7 and needed to win our last two games to make the playoffs.

This year we are 8-6 and had have to win our last two games to make the playoffs.

This team has proven that it can do it and certainly know what needs to be done. It is just a case of getting the job done.

I certainly think this team hasn't played up to their potential yet thus year.

I am pretty confident we can get the job done. Once we are in the playoffs, we all know what this team can do
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i think we showed our true potential when we smacked down the packers.

but then showed classic giants meltdown with bad losses
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Prince has been lights out, but keep in mind he's doing it vs the opposition's #2 WR.

Webster did it vs the opposition's #1. Big difference.

I think next year the roles will be flipped, and Prince will step up to the challenge, but right here right now, he's not quite there yet.
Are you guys 100% sold yet on Prince, need more time, strong #2 or potential really good #1? CB's are tough to gauge because they can be so up and down their first 3 years. We saw Jenkins go from flashes, to pro bowl, to suckage, to now he's settled in as a physical, athletic really solid #2 type CB that some team will probably pay to be #1 next year.


What I see from Prince is the coverage skills, but not much play-maker ability. I think if you put him on a guy like Austin he'd do just fine, don't know that he'd shut him out but he would be over him all game. I haven't really seen those elite ball skills I like to see from a CB, or a knack for the football. Then again I haven't seen him play that much this year, and maybe that's just not his game.


He's got good hips though, and doesn't bite on many double moves, he's usually right on top of the ball when it's thrown which is good. Considering all the missed time he's had with injuries he could still have a long way to go, was just curious on how he's perceived at this point.
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he's solid. He doesn't have those ball skills but I'm ok with that. He's been a bit inconsistent but that's somewhat expected. He's tackled much better and shown some moxy of late, which is nice. I think he'll be a very good #2 with potential to be a good #1 guy. He won't make the plays, but he's a good cover corner.
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Prince seems like Corey 2.0 when he's healthy enough to play. Neither have great playmaking skills, but their length, hips, toughness and quick thinking make them excellent cover guys. If he stays healthy he should continue on Corey's path to becoming an excellent #1.
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What do people think on Terrell Thomas's ability to completely recover from his injury?

Should we be looking at CB earlier in the draft?
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