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Old 12-20-2012, 05:04 PM    (permalink
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Oh, you're in the library? MAYBE YOU CAN LOOK UP WHAT THE WORD FUNNY MEANS!

Yeah. I went there.
Is this what funny means?

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Is this what funny means?
You make me so sad.
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The Chiefs should trade Glenn Dorsey to NE for peanuts and draft Star L...
If i'm drafting a DL that high i'd like to see him be able to get to the QB.
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If i'm drafting a DL that high i'd like to see him be able to get to the QB.
Clearly, you would not fit in among the rest of the Chiefs front office.
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You can have Dorsey AND keep the peanuts.

I want Dorsey to go to a 4-3 team and hopefully revitalize his career. He wasn't as bad as people made him out to be as a 3-4 DE, but he could be better in a different scheme.
The Chiefs might become a 4-3. The talent is much better suited for 3-4, coaches have switched alignement before despite a talent disparity.
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The Chiefs rushed for 350 yards and held Indy's offense to 13 points holding Andrew Luck in check all day....and we still lost.

And people still think KC shouldn't draft a QB with the first pick. Blows my mind.
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You can have Dorsey AND keep the peanuts.

I want Dorsey to go to a 4-3 team and hopefully revitalize his career. He wasn't as bad as people made him out to be as a 3-4 DE, but he could be better in a different scheme.
If I had to put money on it, I'd say Dorsey's a Bear next year. While Emery didn't get to KC until after the 2008 draft, he should be pretty familiar w/ Dorsey from his KC days. Also, the Bears have a history of going after D-linemen who were top picks that haven't quite put it together, that they hope would excel in their scheme. Amobi Okoye, Gaines Adams, Brian Price all come to mind.
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No, we don't need a quarterback in KC.

He cannot throw a pass with his helmet...off..oh


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The Chiefs do need a QB. Sucks that there isn't a good one for them to take. They are where I wanted Luck to go last year, love their young core.
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The Chiefs might become a 4-3. The talent is much better suited for 3-4, coaches have switched alignement before despite a talent disparity.
They don't need to fully switch to a 4-3, but I think it'd be a much better idea for them to go to a 1-gap 3-4 and get some more versatile players for the interior. I think it'd help them get more from Poe quickly, too. 0-tech NT is just a long developmental position.

But they need to take a QB first overall.
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I haven't scouted the QBs this year, but I did see some of Tyler Wilson, and I like him. He's no Luck or RGIII, but you guys have to get that out of your head. That was once in every 10 years type of qb draft class, it's not happening again, but just bc a guy isn't Andrew Luck doesn't mean he can't be a franchise qb.

I think Tyler has potential.
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They don't need to fully switch to a 4-3, but I think it'd be a much better idea for them to go to a 1-gap 3-4 and get some more versatile players for the interior. I think it'd help them get more from Poe quickly, too. 0-tech NT is just a long developmental position.

But they need to take a QB first overall.
Yes please to the 1-gap. I think RAC is the only coach still running a 2-gap, unless I'm mistaken?
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They don't need to fully switch to a 4-3, but I think it'd be a much better idea for them to go to a 1-gap 3-4 and get some more versatile players for the interior. I think it'd help them get more from Poe quickly, too. 0-tech NT is just a long developmental position.

But they need to take a QB first overall.
No disagreements with that here.
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The Chiefs do need a QB. Sucks that there isn't a good one for them to take. They are where I wanted Luck to go last year, love their young core.
Exactly my point. Its blatantly obvious that its their biggest need. The problem is there isnt one worthy of number 1 status so they will have to pull the trigger on one and hope for the best.
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A lot can change between now and April.

It doesn't matter to me anyway. I'm taking Geno #1 right now and not caring about perceived value.
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The Chiefs rushed for 350 yards and held Indy's offense to 13 points holding Andrew Luck in check all day....and we still lost.

And people still think KC shouldn't draft a QB with the first pick. Blows my mind.
If you do not think that the QB is going to be a franchise QB then it does make sense not to draft one. Why not draft more of a sure thing at another position then draft a QB you are not sure about? Why do people assume there is no good QBs later or you can not get a QB through trade or free agency? People are way to enamored with taking QBs early when they are not that good. Just ask Jacksonville or Minnesota how that has been working for them this year.
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If you do not think that the QB is going to be a franchise QB then it does make sense not to draft one. Why not draft more of a sure thing at another position then draft a QB you are not sure about? Why do people assume there is no good QBs later or you can not get a QB through trade or free agency? People are way to enamored with taking QBs early when they are not that good. Just ask Jacksonville or Minnesota how that has been working for them this year.
The Chiefs haven't drafted a QB in the first round in three decades. It's no wonder that the franchise has been largely irrelevant in that time. I'm sick of trading for another teams backup or off the scrap heap. We have to be done with that.

And you list Jacksonville and Minnesota as reasons to not do it. When I look at those teams I'm envious. At least they're attempting to fix the most important position in sports. At least they're trying.

And at #1, there are no other glaring needs for this team. There is no WR worthy of a top 10 selection, there is no need for another DT or an OT. QB is the biggest need and we'll be in the position to draft the best one. We have to do it.
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Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and Mike Glennon all have the skill sets to be successful in the NFL. The most important decision for the Chiefs will be bringing in a coach and philosophy that matches well with whichever quarterback they select. It sounds like a simple concept but far too often in the league we see teams try to plug in players who have "talent" but don't necessarily fit the team's system/philosophy. Seeing who the Chiefs bring in this off-season may give us a strong indication of which quarterback ultimately goes number one.
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Personally, if there's not a QB I like to be THE FRANCHISE, I'm not taking him with the first pick.


Now I haven't scouted this draft enough yet, but I'd I'm the KC GM and I don't fall in love with a guy, here's what I'm gonna do.


I'm gonna add a veteran QB that can win games, maybe Alex Smith if I can get him, if not then maybe somebody like Matt Moore. Just somebody I know I can win games with.


Then I'm gonna go BPA with the top pick and build a great defense/running game/weapons around my solid QB.

Then on day 2 I'm adding a QB that can possibly be successful to compete with the veteran.


Then I'll look to get a QB in the first next year and add him onto my great team.
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Personally, if there's not a QB I like to be THE FRANCHISE, I'm not taking him with the first pick.


Now I haven't scouted this draft enough yet, but I'd I'm the KC GM and I don't fall in love with a guy, here's what I'm gonna do.


I'm gonna add a veteran QB that can win games, maybe Alex Smith if I can get him, if not then maybe somebody like Matt Moore. Just somebody I know I can win games with.


Then I'm gonna go BPA with the top pick and build a great defense/running game/weapons around my solid QB.

Then on day 2 I'm adding a QB that can possibly be successful to compete with the veteran.


Then I'll look to get a QB in the first next year and add him onto my great team.
We've done the veteran QB / add "talent" route for years. It doesn't work here.
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Personally, if there's not a QB I like to be THE FRANCHISE, I'm not taking him with the first pick.


Now I haven't scouted this draft enough yet, but I'd I'm the KC GM and I don't fall in love with a guy, here's what I'm gonna do.


I'm gonna add a veteran QB that can win games, maybe Alex Smith if I can get him, if not then maybe somebody like Matt Moore. Just somebody I know I can win games with.


Then I'm gonna go BPA with the top pick and build a great defense/running game/weapons around my solid QB.

Then on day 2 I'm adding a QB that can possibly be successful to compete with the veteran.


Then I'll look to get a QB in the first next year and add him onto my great team.
No one the Chiefs could draft with the 1st pick would make sense. Taking the BPA will just mean wasting a high pick on a position they dont need players, instead of taking a QB that can turn their franchise around.

And you're assuming they'll be able to get a QB on on day 2. There is no guarantee that one will be available. Then if they were to get a QB on day 2, why would they then get one the next year in the first? That makes no sense.

Also, with an Alex Smith at QB, the Chiefs would win enough games to push them out of the reach of good QB's, but they definitely wouldn't be getting to the playoffs. There would be literally nothing good coming from that situation other than setting the franchise even further back.

Taking a QB with the #1 pick is the only option for them. If you fail to see otherwise then I don't know what to say.
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No one the Chiefs could draft with the 1st pick would make sense. Taking the BPA will just mean wasting a high pick on a position they dont need players, instead of taking a QB that can turn their franchise around.

And you're assuming they'll be able to get a QB on on day 2. There is no guarantee that one will be available. Then if they were to get a QB on day 2, why would they then get one the next year in the first? That makes no sense.

Also, with an Alex Smith at QB, the Chiefs would win enough games to push them out of the reach of good QB's, but they definitely wouldn't be getting to the playoffs. There would be literally nothing good coming from that situation other than setting the franchise even further back.

Taking a QB with the #1 pick is the only option for them. If you fail to see otherwise then I don't know what to say.
We've seen recent examples of that not being true. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. Might even have another example this year. Russell Wilson. Seems that unless your a Manning brother. More fail than succeed.

Top 5 PIcks Working Out
Peyton Manning - 1998
Donovan McNabb - 1999
Eli Manning - 2004
Philip Rivers - 2004
Matt Ryan - 2008

Not Working Out
Ryan Leaf 1998
Tim Couch 1999
Akili Smith 1999
David Carr 2002
Joey Harrington 2002
Alex Smith 2005
Vince Young 2006
Jamarcus Russell 2007
Mark Sanchez 2009

Had their moments but really didn't work out
Mike Vick 2001
Carson Palmer 2003

Too Early To Tell
Matt Stafford 2009
Cam Newton 2010

Let's look where this year's playoff qb's were drafted
Tom Brady 199
Joe Flacco 18th Traded up from 26 after trading down to that spot
Matt Schaub 115
Peyton Manning 1st
Andy Dalton 35
Andrew Luck 1st

RGIII 2nd Romo - Free Agent
Aaron Rodgers 24th
Matt Ryan 3rd
Colin Kaepernick 36
Russell Wilson 75
Christian Ponder 12th Playoff qb....LOL

Looks to me that unless you were graded a super, super prospect. Like the Manning Brothers or Andrew Luck. Most of the others just don't live up to their rep. Geno Smith fits the profile more of a Couch, Stafford or David Carr than either Manning or Luck. Time will tell.
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