New York Giants Discussion

[Forenci]

Agreed. He might not have the playmaking ability, but I firmly believe that's an overrated skill for a corner. A lot of so-called play making CB's do it because they take a lot of unnecessary chances.

I'd rather just have a lockdown cover guy. If he happens to be great at playmaking and creating turn overs, that's awesome. If not, no harm done really.

I think Prince projects are number 1 guy. He's been great this year.

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Justin Tuck may be out this sunday. At this point I'm not sure if it weakens or strengthens our chances of winning. Maybe without him out there, moping around and giving a half-assed effort, we would win.

But then again, this is exactly the type of game Tuck would show up to, and play to the best of his abilities in.

I keep getting more and more nervous for this game. A horrible result could make my mood real bad for christmas eve, the gifts and the family dinner.

And to top it off, I've worked 50 hours this week already, so I'm in kind of a pissy mood even now.

Please win, Giants.

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Originally Posted by Big_Pete

What do people think on Terrell Thomas's ability to completely recover from his injury?

Should we be looking at CB earlier in the draft?

We should absolutely be looking at CB early. Terrell Thomas is probably done. Few players ever recover from multiple ACL injuries to the same knee. Although the Panthers LB (Davis?) keeps on coming back and performing good after tearing the same ACL.

Either way, we can never rely on Thomas again. We just have to take it as an added bonus if he can come back and play for us. It's such a shame he has bad knees. He looked like he was going to become a real difference-maker on our defense.

[scottyboy]

man, TT being healthy would've just been so awesome. he was so good too. ugh

[Giantsfan1080]

I actually thought Thomas was a but overrated by Giants fans. I'd like to have him but he wasn't as good as everyone would say.

[Big_Pete]

Originally Posted by BigBlueNorwegian

We should absolutely be looking at CB early. Terrell Thomas is probably done. Few players ever recover from multiple ACL injuries to the same knee. Although the Panthers LB (Davis?) keeps on coming back and performing good after tearing the same ACL.

Either way, we can never rely on Thomas again. We just have to take it as an added bonus if he can come back and play for us. It's such a shame he has bad knees. He looked like he was going to become a real difference-maker on our defense.

I think there is some reason tobe optimistic with Terrell Thomas, he was cleared medically to start practicing last off season before going to IR (it looked like it was just too soon to handle the rigors of football).

With a full year to rehab and strengthen it, there is every chance he can play. Thomas is not likely to be a starter, but he could be a valuable contributer behind Amukamara and Webster.

[bigbluedefense]

I think Prince's ceiling is Corey Webster. Which I'll gladly take. I think at the very worst, he'll be a lockdown #2. I think he has #1 potential, but we won't know that until next year most likely.

Thomas isn't coming back guys. He's done. And even if by some miracle he does come back, we're still cutting him bc of the salary.

As for Tuck, meh. It's probably an upgrade that he doesn't start. I'm done with Tuck. It's one thing after another with him, it's time to move on. The constant moping and excuse making doesn't help me feel sympathetic towards him either.

Loved what he gave us for his career, will always love the guy, but it's time to move on. He's done.

What I found interesting was we're not the only Giant fans to notice this. When I read the PFT article and read the comments, you can see pretty much all of the Giant fans that commented acknowledge that Tuck is washed up.

He's a name guy now, nothing more. The production is gone.

[Giantsfan1080]

People everywhere have noticed his production has dropped. He was the same last year besides a handful of games after that metting with Coughlin. I just think the moping thing that you are harping on is a bit unjustified. It sounds like the Eli haters in the beginning of his career. Tuck is a competitor and wants to win just as much as anyone else. I have been saying this for a while but it would be no shock at all if he hung them up after this year.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I'm not concerned about the stats, I'm concerned with how they're getting those stats.

Last year's defense had communication break downs. This year's defense is just not as good, they don't have as many breakdowns but they're not as talented either.

Offensively, from a scheme perspective we have some major issues we didn't have last year. Look at Eli's #s.

Yeah stats are misleading. I didn't know our stats but just watching our scheme, and watching the WRs closely, and the routes associated with this system, you can see after couple games that the opposing defenses do know something and playing us very well. They are route reading better than I have seen throughout TC's tenure here. I can't remember a season where this was happening.

That's why I told you from a while back after watching that something is up, and I thought the system was dated. That Cbs were in our WR's hip pocket. Before the WR breaks on his route, the CB is reading it and breaking to the landmark before our WR gets there. That's leading to Ints, or near ints, resulting in pass break ups.

I think you were the first person I told.

[Giantsfan1080]

Questionable
C David Baas - Hip/Shoulder (LP)
TE Travis Beckum - Knee (LP)
RB Ahmad Bradshaw - Knee/Foot (LP)
S Kenny Phillips - Knee (LP)
S Tyler Sash - Hamstring (LP)
G Chris Snee - Hip (LP)
DE Justin Tuck - Shoulder (DNP)

Probable
CB Prince Amukamara - Hamstring (FP)
DT Chris Canty - Neck (FP)
WR Hakeem Nicks - Knee (LP)
WR Rueben Randle - Back (FP)

[Giantsfan1080]

Not what I like to hear with 2 huge games coming up:

Giants RapidReports ‏@CBSGiants

Coughlin admitted "it may take an offseason" to address the issues with the pass rush. #NYG

[Rosebud]

If that's not TC calling out Tuck, I dunno what would be.

[Giantsfan1080]

Calling out Tuck? It's calling out everyone and Fewell.

[OSUGiants17]

It may take firing Fewell and getting some more youth into our pass-rush.

[scottyboy]

dont worry guys, i'll be a DE next year and get awesome passrush. i may not have an awesome scrabble name or do backflips, but i got this ****. don't worry.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Sweet! We can hire BBD as our DC, I will be OC. BBD, I take it your system will be very aggressive?

[Giantsfan1080]

No Lewis tomorrow.

[Big_Pete]

If Fewell was to depart (for whatever reason) who are the viable options as a defensive coordinator?

[scottyboy]

Jessie armstead Jessie armstead Jessie armstead

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

Jessie armstead Jessie armstead Jessie armstead

Is he even a coach? Has he had any coaching experience as a coordinator? We need someone who knows what he's doing.

[scottyboy]

he's like an assistant LB coach. I'm kidding for the most part. Jessie's just my all time favorite Giant

[Big_Pete]

Adam Schefter has tweeted:

Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross has emerged as a leading candidate to become the Panthers next general manager, per sources.

Looks like there will be some front office shake up

[Forenci]

Well Webster is washed up. Clearly the Ravens know it and are exposing him.

[Damix]

back to Tim Lewis defense, zero faith we get off the field on 3rd down unless the other team screws up.

[Forenci]

Yeah. If nothing else hopefully this gets Fewell fired.