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Old 12-23-2012, 05:59 PM    (permalink
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So we don't even deserve to make the playoffs at this point. Fire Kevin and Perry and rebuild the trenches. Need new OL and DL. Big turn around about to happen these next 2 years fellas.
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I HATE FEWELL! What a useless side of the ball that is! Our offensive system is quickly becoming troublesome and I am starting to hate it a lot faster now.

Old players and injury prone players we have. We look so bad and old all of a sudden. Bad system, old and hurt DL, and old CB getting slapped around.

Hurt and old OL, and a hurt and young RB, getting ELi killed. Cruz is a gamer, but invisible, and Nicks is young and injury prone.

Can someone healthy play at a top level?

I'd rather get a paper cut on the head of my.. then watch this terrible performance! Wake up TC! Every year towards the end of the regular season this happens! FIX IT!
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Seriously I just want this nightmare November/December to be over. Merry Christmas to you guys, have a good holiday, better luck next year. I honestly don't even want to make the playoffs this year. We flat out don't deserve it. Tough schedule, injuries and **** play calling all year long. On the bight side, at least we're not the Jets
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Yeah. If nothing else hopefully this gets Fewell fired.
Very likely

I'm not sure Coughlin is safe to be honest, the way we are finishing this season reminds me of 2003. It would be a tough call but the players don't seem to be responding to him.
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Haha. Hopefully this stops the mind set of Giants fans thinking we can turn it on whenever we feel like it. Clearly the worriers were justified in their concerns (Norwegian and NYG).

And Coughlin will be fine. He's coming off a Super Bowl win. Fewell will be on the hot seat. I wish I could say Gilbride will but he won't.
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It's time to rebuild. The old talent on this team all got old at the same time. And hopefully Fewell gets fired. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I hope he's gone.

We need better linebackers, better DTs, better tackling, and better CBs. The whole defense just sucks right now outside of JPP, Osi, JWill, Kenny, and Prince.

You can pretty much gut the rest of the starting lineup and start over again.

Offense needs a new playbook. Our playbook is dated. And Nick's injury killed our offense.

Next year will be interesting. But this year is over.
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Osi is good at what we ask him to do: rush the passer. He did it better than anyone else on the team this year.

As a pass rush specialist on 3rd down, Osi still has value on this team. He's not a starter and shouldn't start anymore, but he has value as a pass rush specialist.

Doesn't matter though, he's probably gone too.
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we need to hit on our draft picks this year. and like, big time
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It's time to rebuild. The old talent on this team all got old at the same time. And hopefully Fewell gets fired. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I hope he's gone.

We need better linebackers, better DTs, better tackling, and better CBs. The whole defense just sucks right now outside of JPP, Osi, JWill, Kenny, and Prince.

You can pretty much gut the rest of the starting lineup and start over again.

Offense needs a new playbook. Our playbook is dated. And Nick's injury killed our offense.

Next year will be interesting. But this year is over.



I see all these aggressive 3-4 defense that blitz in a creative fashion, and I want one. We won 2 SBs, and that's cool. But it's hit our miss with our coordinators.

I am done with that. Get me a 3-4 where guys have to be used in a creative fashion.
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Haha. Hopefully this stops the mind set of Giants fans thinking we can turn it on whenever we feel like it. Clearly the worriers were justified in their concerns (Norwegian and NYG).

And Coughlin will be fine. He's coming off a Super Bowl win. Fewell will be on the hot seat. I wish I could say Gilbride will but he won't.
Well, I will say this. I been watching football way too long. Only sport I watch and care about. Hence me investing time to coach and try to make to the NFL. So I'd like to think people saw something in me to allow me to get to the doorstep.

When I say my hand was on the panic button I mean it. I am not being dramatic, I see things which bother me and so I say it. If people respectfully disagree, that's fine. It's a MB, but doesn't mean I am wrong. In my mind I am 10000% correct,and I trust my skill set in analyzing football.
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NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! This would piss me off more than missing the playoffs.
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Ross to the Panthers as an option I read somewhere.
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Well, I will say this. I been watching football way too long. Only sport I watch and care about. Hence me investing time to coach and try to make to the NFL. So I'd like to think people saw something in me to allow me to get to the doorstep.

When I say my hand was on the panic button I mean it. I am not being dramatic, I see things which bother me and so I say it. If people respectfully disagree, that's fine. It's a MB, but doesn't mean I am wrong. In my mind I am 10000% correct,and I trust my skill set in analyzing football.
I appreciate your analysis NYG

Just curious what do you think are the top 5 priorities next offseason to turn things around?
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Our Defense needs to snag one of the super talented DL in this draft another corner. Prince is a stud, Hosley has talent, Kenny's great, Rolle's really good, and with Brown and Hill we've got some depth, but we need one more corner to replace Corey. If we could upgrade at DC that would be awesome to, but the talent needs to be improved as well. This is my biggest concern.

Offensively we need Randle to step up over the summer and the OL to improve. Beatty's shown he's worth bringing back, Baas has validated his contract, Bootey's a good backup and Locklear's a solid swing tackle, but we need to get a better guard play and make sure Diehl can not start again.
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Just curious what do you think are the top 5 priorities next offseason to turn things around?
Thanks Big Pete, I appreciate it.

Well, I more worried about the big picture. That's what I saw that led me to panic. The offensive system being what it is, and the defensive side of the ball totally useless. Those are system things.

I told my friend via text, that this team looks old. Like Old and hurt type of thing. So that's an issue. But even if we had all pro people, I don't trust the system. That SB run and win saved Perry Fewell. Outside of that, I didn't like his regular season coaching.

The offensive system hasn't been this bad in such a long time. We'd see games, like that thanksgiving game, or Eagles playoff game, but this is bad. This looks to me a mixture of injuries, age, and teams seeing something in our system and perhaps catching up to it.


Coughlin needs to look at the big picture and fix this late season break down. Is it lack of tendency breakers? Are teams using the more film later in the season, and out scheming us? For a HOF coach, this type of thing is unacceptable.

So the big picture issues I see as a big problem, but from a scheme perspective.
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It certainly does seem like teams have figured out how to stop us on both sides of the ball, and for whatever reason we have not been able to adjust our schemes to compensate.

The question is, will Coughlin make the necessary adjustments?
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Well does he know what the adjustments are? Cause if he did he probably should have tried to make some already.
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It certainly does seem like teams have figured out how to stop us on both sides of the ball, and for whatever reason we have not been able to adjust our schemes to compensate.

The question is, will Coughlin make the necessary adjustments?
Well from prior years not sure. I remember when rumors were out that the Maras forced TC to fire Lewis or Hufangel. Maybe we need to do that.

Also, I will say this, I don't watch baseball, but I do listen to the WFAN. Yankee fans said their team live and die with the home run ball.

I feel like this can be said about our offense. It's a home run type offense. How many home runs did we hit last year? Cruz was breaking off long TDs, and everything was great. This year we haven't done that and I think that is exposing our pass offense which needs to move the field methodically.

Quick game, and screens, and other things to sustain a drive we haven't been doing. 3rd down conversions on both sides of the ball need to be better. We need to convert them, and we need to stop them. Red zone efficiency this year is terrible!

Just bad stuff across the board. Watching the postgame now, and TC doesn't have answers, lol. That's not good!
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Well from prior years not sure. I remember when rumors were out that the Maras forced TC to fire Lewis or Hufangel. Maybe we need to do that.
Hufnagel and Lewis were fired after the 2006 season, right before Reese took over as GM in January 2007, so presumably Reese was involved in forcing Coughlin's hand.
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If Fewell isn't fired I will be livid. He has been awful all year. I mean, he's been pretty bad outside of our Super Bowl run. He needs to go.

I disagree with you on switching to the 3-4 though, NYG. You can be very creative in any defensive scheme. You just need the coaches for it. There's no way we can switch schemes. JPP is strictly a 4-3 DE. We have no DLine players who can play in the 3-4. No linebackers, outside of Kiwi, who can play in the 3-4. Plus I honestly think its harder to draft for the 3-4.

4-3 isnt the issue. We just need a good coordinator.
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I see all these aggressive 3-4 defense that blitz in a creative fashion, and I want one. We won 2 SBs, and that's cool. But it's hit our miss with our coordinators.

I am done with that. Get me a 3-4 where guys have to be used in a creative fashion.
4-3 and 3-4 don't mean ****. It's all about how you attack gaps. You can attack gaps in a 4-3 the same way you attack gaps in a 3-4 front. It's all the same ****.

Plus our franchise defender, JPP, is strictly a 4-3 defensive end. Build around him.
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can we just point out real quick how terribad Herzlich was? He missed more tackles than I can count.

JWill and Blackburn are our 2 best LB'ers. That's bad.

Ansah and Khaseem should be our first 2 picks. Re-stock this front 7.

Boom town.

oh, then OG's and DB's from there out in the draft.
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if we retain the 4-3 scheme. who are the better options as DC?

If Dick Jauron an option?

Does anyone have much info on the scheme that the Browns are playing?
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4-3 and 3-4 don't mean ****. It's all about how you attack gaps. You can attack gaps in a 4-3 the same way you attack gaps in a 3-4 front. It's all the same ****.

Plus our franchise defender, JPP, is strictly a 4-3 defensive end. Build around him.
JPP has done nothing this year. He actually looks fatter this year than last year. And I want an aggressive defense. True gaps are important but a 3-4 allows you to disguise your blitzes better or better than what we have done with Dumb, Dumber, and Dumbest, Lewis, Sheridan, and Fewell.

We need creativity. None of the god damn blitzes are getting home and that's IF we decide to blitz! QBs have ALL day to freaking the throw the mother.. f.. ball! That's BS!
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