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View Poll Results: Who's your MVP entering Sunday week 12
P Manning 28 50.00%
A Rodgers 4 7.14%
T Brady 12 21.43%
R Griffin 1 1.79%
D Brees 3 5.36%
M Ryan 2 3.57%
A Peterson 4 7.14%
A Foster 0 0%
M Lynch 1 1.79%
Other: Who? 1 1.79%
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The idea that a lot Megatron's yards have come in garbage time, is greatly exaggerated.
The fact is, the Lions are almost always trailing, whether it's by 6, 7, 10, 13, 17, etc.

People (a few) want to knock the Vikings for "only" being 8--6, well the Lions record is lottery-material.
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Which one of those graphics state Petersons value to the team? Pretty sure they're all individual stats. Which Vikings WR would I have on my team? Percy Harvin. You know the guy who through the first half of the season was the Vikings best player!

Why is Peterson more realistic than Watt exactly? Is Calvin Johnson not as impressive. He is the Lions offense. Who else has been doing anything for them? Their running game is embarassing. They are starting guys opposite him who should be stacking shelves. The Falcons knew Stafford was going to Calvin all night long yesterday but were only able to stop it once.

So many guys are having ridiculous years from an individual perspective but that doesn't make them the most valuable guys in the league.
So many quarterbacks are having inteerchangeably good seasons too. You can sit there all day and preach that a running back isnt as valuable as a quarterback, but how AD is carrying the Vikes in pretty unreal. If you think a QB is MVP this year then it might as well be called qb of the year. If the Vikes get another win on his pack then it should be an obvious choice.
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Vikings beat Texans with a below average day from Peterson. Interesting.
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Vikings beat Texans with a below average day from Peterson. Interesting.
True, and that's rare.

Still, Peterson had about 6 times as many yards rushing today as his opponent Arian Foster did, which I also found interesting.

Aaron Rodgers led the Packers to their 9th win in their last 10 games, and an 11-4 record.
His stats are better than Brady now, and the wins are the same (officially, although everyone realized the Packers had one W stolen).

Peyton Manning has another cupcake today at home vs the 5-9 Browns and he will pad his stats like Rodgers did today vs a horrible dead team.
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Texans completely sold out to stop AD and allowed Ponder to throw for as many 20 plays as I've seen. It was nice to see he still has a pulse.
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So many quarterbacks are having inteerchangeably good seasons too. You can sit there all day and preach that a running back isnt as valuable as a quarterback, but how AD is carrying the Vikes in pretty unreal. If you think a QB is MVP this year then it might as well be called qb of the year. If the Vikes get another win on his pack then it should be an obvious choice.
Eh the award is for most valuable player and in my mind that's always going to be a QB. If you're argument is against what the award means then that's fine, I actually agree, but that's what it is.
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True, and that's rare.

Still, Peterson had about 6 times as many yards rushing today as his opponent Arian Foster did, which I also found interesting.

Aaron Rodgers led the Packers to their 9th win in their last 10 games, and an 11-4 record.
His stats are better than Brady now, and the wins are the same (officially, although everyone realized the Packers had one W stolen).

Peyton Manning has another cupcake today at home vs the 5-9 Browns and he will pad his stats like Rodgers did today vs a horrible dead team.
Ya i see how that point is completely relevant to AD winning the MVP award. I mean AD only had 500 more yards than Foster already. Sound argument.
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i still think brady is the most valuable player in the league, but it seems fairly clear to me that adrian peterson is simply the best player in the league this season. i don't know how he doesn't win OPOTY unanimously, no matter what happens with the MVP voting.
Peterson better offensive player than Megatron?
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True, and that's rare.

Still, Peterson had about 6 times as many yards rushing today as his opponent Arian Foster did, which I also found interesting.

Aaron Rodgers led the Packers to their 9th win in their last 10 games, and an 11-4 record.
His stats are better than Brady now, and the wins are the same (officially, although everyone realized the Packers had one W stolen).

Peyton Manning has another cupcake today at home vs the 5-9 Browns and he will pad his stats like Rodgers did today vs a horrible dead team.
you do know that Foster left the game with a heart murmur and only had like 10 carries, right? But nah, he mailed it in, like Harvin.

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Peyton Manning - MVP
Calvin Johnson - OPOY
Adrian Peterson - CBPOTY

I think Peterson is more deserving of OPOY to be honest, but this is assuming each player takes only one award home.
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this year, right now? yes.
What makes what he has done so much better? His team is better? Megatron is crushing Jerry Rices record.
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this year, right now? yes.
He's been dominating just as much the last few weeks, and it's not all in garbage time despite what Chucky says. He's doing this with as little help as AD has been, since the other options include Kris Durham, Brian Robiskie, Tony Scheffler, and Mikel LeShoure.
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He's been dominating just as much the last few weeks, and it's not all in garbage time despite what Chucky says. He's doing this with as little help as AD has been, since the other options include Kris Durham, Brian Robiskie, Tony Scheffler, and Mikel LeShoure.
I hope you aren't insinuating AD is getting his in garbage time...
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I hope you aren't insinuating AD is getting his in garbage time...
I never insinuated that, I was defending the belief that Calvin was getting his in garbage time. That had nothing to do with AD.
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Peyton Manning - MVP
Calvin Johnson - OPOY
Adrian Peterson - CBPOTY

I think Peterson is more deserving of OPOY to be honest, but this is assuming each player takes only one award home.
This. I can't create an argument in my head where 2,000 receiver yards isn't immensely more impressive than 2,000 rushing yards. Since I view OPOY as a statistical award first and foremost I think Megatron gets it.

The only argument then is MVP or CBPOTY for Manning/Peterson. If Peterson runs wild and pushes the Vikings into the playoffs it'll be a harder call but right now I see it exactly as you do Bulldogs.
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I think we can now end the DPOY talk for Aldon Smith. (and any MVP talk)
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DPOY should be down to JJ Watt and Geno Atkins.
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Megatron will be the first receiver ever to get 2,000 yards. That alone makes him OPOY
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Vikings beat Texans with a below average day from Peterson. Interesting.

And the Pats won with a below average day from Brady. What's your point?
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And the Pats won with a below average day from Brady. What's your point?
THe difference is you wouldn't expect the Pats would need Brady's 'A' game to beat the Jags.

However for the Vikes to beat a strong Houston team without Peterson busting loose implies AD is not critical for the Vikes to be successful.
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THe difference is you wouldn't expect the Pats would need Brady's 'A' game to beat the Jags.

However for the Vikes to beat a strong Houston team without Peterson busting loose implies AD is not critical for the Vikes to be successful.
or that the Texans star RB didn't play much, the Vikes D played really well and the texans sold out against the run and the Vikings took advantage of that and used football strategy. that could be it.

or you know, we could also not look at one game late in the season to judge a players whole season. there's that, too
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Also the Pats still beat the Jags because of Brady, not in spite of him, so the comparison IMO falls apart.

IMO it's hard for a RB who doesn't score 20+ TDs or have a huge role catching the ball to be considered the MVP. If the Vikes don't make the playoffs, no way is AD MVP.
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Comes down to the final week for me!

And Rodgers is being taken for granted too! If Brady is in the conversation, A-Rod should be as well.

35 + 2 TDs, 8 INTs, best passer rating in the NFL.

He's left out because he was a robot last season.

At this very moment for me:

1) Peyton Manning
2) Adrian Peterson
3) Aaron Rodgers
4) Tom Brady
5) J.J. Watt
6) Marshawn Lynch
7) Matt Ryan
8) Adriel Jeremiah Green
9) Robert Griffin III
10) Brandon Marshall
11) Dez Bryant

Call me stupid or OCD, but if Peterson plays well and the Vikings make the playoffs I think I give it to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Although I did think the point that Harvin was the MVP candidate at the midway point of the season was pretty good.

Peyton Manning is just... a god among men.

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Comes down to the final week for me!

And Rodgers is being taken for granted too! If Brady is in the conversation, A-Rod should be as well.

35 + 2 TDs, 8 INTs, best passer rating in the NFL.

He's left out because he was a robot last season.

At this very moment for me:

1) Peyton Manning
2) Adrian Peterson
3) Aaron Rodgers
4) Tom Brady
5) J.J. Watt
6) Marshawn Lynch
7) Matt Ryan
8) Adriel Jeremiah Green
9) Robert Griffin III
10) Brandon Marshall
11) Dez Bryant

Call me stupid or OCD, but if Peterson plays well and the Vikings make the playoffs I think I give it to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Although I did think the point that Harvin was the MVP candidate at the midway point of the season was pretty good.

Peyton Manning is just... a god among men.
You have the wrong Bengal on that list.
Geno > AJ for us.

AJ has done his part to make these last few weeks a little more stressful.
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