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Old 12-11-2012, 12:06 PM    (permalink
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Conf. call. Kiper says that Mike Glennon could be the first QB off the board.


I have a feeling he's about to go from decent back end round 1 prospect to Christian Ponder/Gabbert/Tannehill level overdrafted.
Glennon gets a lot of disrespect, but if he were at a major university where talent gets reloaded instead of rebuilt - I believe he would have had the best year of any QB in the nation. Some of "his" struggles were due to drops and poor line play.

He played in an NFL type system. He has the prototypical size and a big arm. Great character. When scouts and GMs get to evaluating him, they're going to see a much better player than the national (fan) perception of him is right now.

I wouldn't put him in as a favorite, but I think he's a dark horse to go to #1.
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Haven't watched a lot of Dysert or Nassib this year. Someone who has give me the scoop.
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Glennon gets a lot of disrespect, but if he were at a major university where talent gets reloaded instead of rebuilt - I believe he would have had the best year of any QB in the nation. Some of "his" struggles were due to drops and poor line play.

He played in an NFL type system. He has the prototypical size and a big arm. Great character. When scouts and GMs get to evaluating him, they're going to see a much better player than the national (fan) perception of him is right now.

I wouldn't put him in as a favorite, but I think he's a dark horse to go to #1.
I tend to agree with this.

He's got certain traits and talents that will make NFL teams gaga - most notably his ability to slide and reset in the pocket and/or get rid of the ball from awkward release platforms. Super important trait that not a lot of guys have.

I'm not crazy about him (personally), but I can see definitely see why others/NFL teams are.
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I tend to agree with this.

He's got certain traits and talents that will make NFL teams gaga - most notably his ability to slide and reset in the pocket and/or get rid of the ball from awkward release platforms. Super important trait that not a lot of guys have.

I'm not crazy about him (personally), but I can see definitely see why others/NFL teams are.
Geno to KC, Glennon to Jax.

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I know it's frustrating when you don't have a qb. But, picking the top qb is not very smart if he's not going to be a good NFL starter. Let's look back at the 3 qb's taken after Cam Newton in 2011. Each team could have had an all-pro or near all-pro lineman and gotten just as good a qb in Round 2; Dalton, Kaepernick or Mallett.

Jax - Blaine Gabbert - Boy, JJ Watt would sure help.
Tenn - Jake Locker - - I'd like to have Ryan Kerrigan chasing down qb's.
Minny - Christian Ponder - Pouncey, Solder, Quinn or Fairley. Take your pick

Have any of these teams solved their qb problems? Not yet. How does it look going forward? I'd say pretty bleak. How does it look for Kaepernick and Dalton? Not sure things. Better than the first rounders IMO. Mallett hasn't gotten a chance yet. Who knows what he can do.

KC, Arizona and Buffalo will be making the same mistake this year. There are plenty of good linemen out there. Take one. If you like one of the qb's, trade up into late Round 1 for him. Don't take him with a Top 10 pick. They're not that good. None of them.
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I know it's frustrating when you don't have a qb. But, picking the top qb is not very smart if he's not going to be a good NFL starter. Let's look back at the 3 qb's taken after Cam Newton in 2011. Each team could have had an all-pro or near all-pro lineman and gotten just as good a qb in Round 2; Dalton, Kaepernick or Mallett.

Jax - Blaine Gabbert - Boy, JJ Watt would sure help.
Tenn - Jake Locker - - I'd like to have Ryan Kerrigan chasing down qb's.
Minny - Christian Ponder - Pouncey, Solder, Quinn or Fairley. Take your pick

Have any of these teams solved their qb problems? Not yet. How does it look going forward? I'd say pretty bleak. How does it look for Kaepernick and Dalton? Not sure things. Better than the first rounders IMO. Mallett hasn't gotten a chance yet. Who knows what he can do.

KC, Arizona and Buffalo will be making the same mistake this year. There are plenty of good linemen out there. Take one. If you like one of the qb's, trade up into late Round 1 for him. Don't take him with a Top 10 pick. They're not that good. None of them.
Eh, Jake Long and Mario Williams didn't really do **** for Miami and Buffalo, either. And they're All-Pros.

Take a QB. You'd just better take the right one.
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I know it's frustrating when you don't have a qb. But, picking the top qb is not very smart if he's not going to be a good NFL starter. Let's look back at the 3 qb's taken after Cam Newton in 2011. Each team could have had an all-pro or near all-pro lineman and gotten just as good a qb in Round 2; Dalton, Kaepernick or Mallett.

Jax - Blaine Gabbert - Boy, JJ Watt would sure help.
Tenn - Jake Locker - - I'd like to have Ryan Kerrigan chasing down qb's.
Minny - Christian Ponder - Pouncey, Solder, Quinn or Fairley. Take your pick

Have any of these teams solved their qb problems? Not yet. How does it look going forward? I'd say pretty bleak. How does it look for Kaepernick and Dalton? Not sure things. Better than the first rounders IMO. Mallett hasn't gotten a chance yet. Who knows what he can do.

KC, Arizona and Buffalo will be making the same mistake this year. There are plenty of good linemen out there. Take one. If you like one of the qb's, trade up into late Round 1 for him. Don't take him with a Top 10 pick. They're not that good. None of them.
You think JJ Watt transforms the Jaguars into a good team??? The Bills at least under Nix don't reach for QB's. They wanted Newton he wasn't there. There were rumors he wanted Ponder in the 2nd but he was snatched up with the 12th pick.

They probably go BPA with their Top 10 pick(Werner, Mosley, Milliner, Montgomery, Mingo, Jordan) then wait till the 2nd to take Glennon, Dysert, Nassib.
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I love Kerrigan and he's been a decent to solid OLB for the SKins, but he's not a world beater. Teams don't have to gameplan around him.
Locker is still developing.
If things work out for him the way they could, he's going to be 10x more valuable to the Titans than Kerrigan would be.
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QB is just more valuable than any other position in this day and age. There is no way around it. And when you're trotting out Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn as your QBs, there is no other position you can possibly go to get a bigger upgrade.
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Eh, Jake Long and Mario Williams didn't really do **** for Miami and Buffalo, either. And they're All-Pros.

Take a QB. You'd just better take the right one.
Jake Long didn't do anything for Miami? They went from 1-15 to 11-5 and won the division his rookie year. I didn't watch the Texans too much when Mario was there. But, they were an expansion team lacking in talent and went from 2-14 to 6, 8, 8 and 9 win seasons.

And, every one of you guys conveniently forgets my 2nd point. I never said don't draft a qb. I even suggested trading up from early 2nd into the first for one. Had Miami done that with Joe Flacco in the Long draft how do you they'd be right now? None of these qb's are anywhere close to the prospect Matt Ryan was coming out of BC.
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Eh, Jake Long and Mario Williams didn't really do **** for Miami and Buffalo, either. And they're All-Pros.

Take a QB. You'd just better take the right one.
Week 5 called, it wants its opinion of Mario Williams back.
*If you meant Houston, then whatever. I don't fault them for the pick.

But I agree that the Bills should go for a QB this year. So does our GM.
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Add David Fales to this discussion. SJSU Jr.
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Still can't believe Bray declared. Understandibly, yes it's a weak QB class. But that doesn't gurantee he'll be selected in the 1st 3 rounds. Attitude/character issues forr Bray is something that isn't good. Add in inconistency, erratic play, and poor decision making, and extremely raw. Also, biggest red flag: Very little to no improvement over the past 3 years. Just has big frame and huge arm.
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Still can't believe Bray declared. Understandibly, yes it's a weak QB class. But that doesn't gurantee he'll be selected in the 1st 3 rounds. Attitude/character issues forr Bray is something that isn't good. Add in inconistency, erratic play, and poor decision making, and extremely raw. Also, biggest red flag: Very little to no improvement over the past 3 years. Just has big frame and huge arm.
If he's improved very little over 3 years, what would be the benefit of going back to school for another year to 'develop'. Even though he might not have maximized his draft stock, he's going to progress FAR more in one year sitting on the bench in the pros than he ever would have going back to UT.
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If he's improved very little over 3 years, what would be the benefit of going back to school for another year to 'develop'. Even though he might not have maximized his draft stock, he's going to progress FAR more in one year sitting on the bench in the pros than he ever would have going back to UT.
Yeah, but not if he goes undrafted. Going back to school for that final season can help prove scouts wrong. He didn't want to do that.
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Brock Osweiler was drafted in Round 2.
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Brock Osweiler was drafted in Round 2.
Physically, do they compare, yes. Mentally? Character? Two different prospects.
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Bray just didn't like school and was ready to move on. Can't fault him for that.
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Brock Osweiler was drafted in Round 2.
It's funny cause Osweiler is absolutely terrible.
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Bray just didn't like school and was ready to move on. Can't fault him for that.
I am sure most teams at the combine will fault him for it though. He is going to get picked apart.

I do understand his moving on from a logical standpoint - he would be in a new system (Butch Jones doesn't seem to like pocket passers) and all his weapons would be gone. I hope he gets his head on straight because he has a huge arm and physical skill set and would be fun to see at the next level. I think if he went to a place with a really good QB guru and sit him for a couple years he has the potential to develop.
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Add David Fales to this discussion. SJSU Jr.
This guy totally intrigues me now. If he stays I am going to say he is the number 1 QB prospect in 2014. Right now he is a one year starter so I think it would benefit him to stick around for his senior season.
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Do you really want a QB named Fales?
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Perhaps I have seen enough NC State games, but the ones I saw, he looked closer to a 2nd rounder then to top 10 pick.
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Perhaps I have seen enough NC State games, but the ones I saw, he looked closer to a 2nd rounder then to top 10 pick.
I don't think anyone who rates him so highly does so because of his game tape. Its the physical tools that they like.
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