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Old 12-30-2012, 06:17 PM    (permalink
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I think you missed it when everyone was fed with this lie that Andrew Luck was the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning on every single edition of SportsCenter leading up to the draft and from then on, it's been even.
And I think you missed every single analyst saying how Griffin was going to revolutionize the QB position. You probably missed all those subway and gatorade commercials to. Or ESPN basically hyping him to the Heisman over Luck last season. Do you not remember all the draft "experts" saying how Griffin was better than Luck?

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Thats about as much hype as you need. If you cannot see the media push behind Griffin than you are blind.
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And I think you missed every single analyst saying how Griffin was going to revolutionize the QB position. You probably missed all those subway and gatorade commercials to. Or ESPN basically hyping him to the Heisman over Luck last season. Do you not remember all the draft "experts" saying how Griffin was better than Luck?

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Thats about as much hype as you need. If you cannot see the media push behind Griffin than you are blind.
Hey before this turns into an argument, I agree that there is a media push behind Griffin now. To say he is the only person who is getting (undeserved?) hype is irresponsible, as the entire aura of Luck was built by the same hype machine you cite.
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Hey before this turns into an argument, I agree that there is a media push behind Griffin now. To say he is the only person who is getting (undeserved?) hype is irresponsible, as the entire aura of Luck was built by the same hype machine you cite.
Fair enough.
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...um...Luck was the best QB prospect since Eli Manning...
I heard some say since Elway.
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Griffin layin a stink bomb tonight. Helped by drops and poor playcalling but easily his worst game of the year thus far.
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...um...Luck was the best QB prospect since Eli Manning...
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You are overrating Eli the prospect.
Eli the prospect is actually underrated. He was widely considered to be a Luck type of prospect coming out.
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Eli was a top prospect too, but Luck was a better prospect.

Elway > P. Manning > Luck
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Well, I would say Michael Vick was a heck of a QB prospect too, no?

Both Luck and RG3 are among the best QB prospects in awhile.

RG3 is easily a top overall pick in most years.
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Can we just give it to Alfred Morris? 2nd in the league in rushing!!!! 1600+ yards, 13 TD's.
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I still love Grif but IMO the game against Dallas in FedEx wasn't a OROTY type performance, especially since the 200 yards rushing and 3 TDs by Morris was!!lol


Luck and those scrappy Colts won 11 games this season including a season ending victory against a superior(??-frauds!) Texans team.

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All things considered, anyone of these guys would win in any other year. Its a shame that they all can't win it honestly.

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Personally, I now believe it should be a 4 way tie between, Luck, RG111, Wilson and Morris. I don't think anybody can make a case where one wins out over the other 3.
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Griff played by far his worst game today.
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a 4 way tie would be fine by me.
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1454 yards on the ground for 11 TDs and 49 receptions for 472 yards and 1 TD is a damn good season. 3rd most all purpose yardage by a rookie of all time putting him behind only Eric Dickerson and Edgerrin James.

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I almost wanted the Skins to just settle for Richardson if it cost too much to get RG3, thank God we didn't because in our system at least we get more production out of a 6th rounder than we would have Richardson to be honest.
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You have to give props to rat face Shanahan. He may be one of the worst evaluators of defensive talent in the league, but he can put together a productive offense.

Luck will probably win, but there are a lot of deserving guys this year (seems to be the case for every award, not just rookie).
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I think last night's game really hurts RG3's chances. Not only did he not play overly well but he was majorly upstaged by a rookie on his own team.

I can't overlook the fact that the Redskins ran the ball 77 times more than they threw it this season.

RG3 has so many special traits that he could be really good with further development, however it seems pretty clear to me that the Redskins do not trust him as a pure thrower yet. Kirk Cousins started one game and in that game threw the ball 37 times. RG3 had more than 37 attempts in one game. He threw for over 30 attempts only 4 times all season and in those games finished with 86/142 for 936 yards with 2TDs and 0INTs. Now he deserves credit for not turning the ball over. In games with more than 30 attempts he finished on average with approximately 60% for 230 yards and 0.5TDs per game. Also, consider this, RG3 threw at or above the average amount of passes in the NFL per game (34.74) twice all year. In both those games he did not throw for a TD. When asked to carry the team as a passer, RG3 has not set the league on fire.

In contrast, the Colts threw the ball 188 more times than they ran it. Andrew Luck had the 5th highest amount of attempts in the NFL, as a rookie. This isn't a seasoned vet, this is a guy most definitely thrown in at the deep end. Of course he isn't going to be as efficient as RG3. Luck had 45 attempts in his debut, against the Bears who were playing really good defense. They had 15 rushing attempts. How is any QB meant to have efficient success against those odds? Luck had more attempts after 10 games than Griffin did the whole season.

This is why we can't compare things like QBR or completion %. RG3 had multiple games with under 20 attempts. Luck had multiple games with over 50 attempts.

Credit the Shanahan's for limiting RG3 and blame Arians for exposing Luck, but this isn't an apples to apples comparison. RG3 has better stats, better efficiency, better TD:INT ratio, however Andrew Luck was asked to carry his team.
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It's almost like the game plan was to keep RG3 as healthy as possible. You can tell his knee is still hurt but 163 total yards and a TD isn't bad, just not good for his standards. Wish he could have hald a better game on national TV but oh well, this shouldn't affect the voting as the whole season needs to be taken into considerstion. Still didn't turn the ball over but he was as inaccurate as I've seen and didn't get much help from his recievers.

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Luck hasn't always been pretty but he's been asked to do more than any rookie this year and more than most rookies in the past decade or so. For the most part his running game has been shoddy, line play has been poor, and with the exception of Reggie Wayne he is dealing with an incredibly young, and inconsistent set of receivers. While playing next to a mediocre defense that struggled to get turnovers and make plays. It's clear to me that even amongst these unfavorable conditions that Luck performed and carried this team to an 11-5 record. Wilson and RG3 are exceptional young QBs but it seems clear to me the RoY belongs to Luck.
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THere's no reason at all why a QB with the top rushing attack in the NFL as rookie would throw the ball over 30+ a game.

It's not a knock on Grif he doesn't throw the ball at a high volume. That's because the offense doesn't need him to.
I don't think Cousins would be throwing at that rate all season long either.
Shanahan has always been a run first HC. Even when he had Elway he rarely had him throwing more than 30-35 times a game.

When Steve Young and the 49ers won the SB in '94 with SHanahan as the OC, Young had nearly 4K passing, 70% completions, 35 TDs and 10 INTs. Steve Young threw for only 461 attempts and in half those games Young had 29 attempts or less.

IMO there's nothing to suggest if RGIII had averaged 5-10 more attempts a game, his efficiency numbers would have fallen through the floor. In fact I think he may have doubled his INTs to 10, but he probably would have thrown for 5-10 more TDs.

I still don't believe Luck's low completion percentage was a result of his throwing the ball so much.

I don't think RG3 will win the award because the last game he played statistically was his worst, however to say RG3 didn't carry the SKins offense all season is absurd(the argument not you).

His run presence particularly on those zone read handoffs just destroyed DEs on run support all season long. Jared Allen complained about it. So did the Giants DEs. An injured D Ware didn't come close to putting a hand on Morris and SPencer was in chase mode all game long.

The zone read handoff makes edge defenders take false steps and when they do, they get gashed.
That's RG3 not Albert Morris doing that with the handoffs, who's still a great rookie RB in his own right.

If Luck wins OROTY, it's because his team won games and made the playoffs, not because he was given extra credit for throwing the ball a ton.

IMO both players were asked to carry their teams and you saw it in their play.
I feel as if Grif took the approach the Skins can't win if he turns the ball over, and Luck's mindset was IMO that even with his mistakes the best chance the Colts have to win is for him to keep throwing.

I agree you can't really compare these players one to one because they were being asked to do different things in different offenses, so really the final evaluation is subjective.

When you consider how much of a halo effect Robert had on the SKins running attack, leading an offense that averaged nearly 28 ppg and winning the NFCE, I personally think his rookie season was slightly more impressive.

But I still think Luck wins it, or that Wilson comes on strong late and gets the award.
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