Andy Reid hired as Chiefs HC

[YotoJets007]

Originally Posted by vidae

I think it was impossible to keep Bowe with Pioli here. With Reid and Dorsey (or Heckert) I think the chance he stays and is signed long term just went up a lot. I still think it's 50/50 or so, but that's better than the 0% chance we had before.

Or Chiefs successfully re-signed Albert and tag Bowe as make a trade for non exclusive franchised Bowe. That way, Reid could get Smith and Hopkins in the 1st round. I am not sure about having Bowe and Baldwin as big WOs for Reid. Hopkins is a perfect WR for Reid and his offensive style.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Ness

At least he is not in the NFC West.

I'm sure the NFC West would be shaking in their boots had he took the Arizona job.

I love how a guy who has done nada for several years now is all of a sudden Vince Lombardi reincarnated.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Babylon

I'm sure the NFC West would be shaking in their boots had he took the Arizona job.

I love how a guy who has done nada for several years now is all of a sudden Vince Lombardi reincarnated.

Andy Reid is a good coach. The majority of his tenure in Philadelphia was successful and has arguably been their best coach maybe ever? He has proved he can turn a team around. People thought Shanahan was done during his last few years in Denver and his first couple of seasons in Washington.

I was concerned when Jeff Fisher became the coach of the Rams, and we're already starting to see a better team over there.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by Ness

Andy Reid is a good coach. The majority of his tenure in Philadelphia was successful and has arguably been their best coach maybe ever? He has proved he can turn a team around. People thought Shanahan was done during his last few years in Denver and his first couple of seasons in Washington.

I was concerned when Jeff Fisher became the coach of the Rams, and we're already starting to see a better team over there.

I agree. His track record speaks for itself:





So out of 14 seasons he only had 3 seasons below .500, and won 6 division titles. Nearly every team would sign up for that. It's not like he had a HOF QB there to piggy back a ton of wins off of either, in a QB driven league he typically can find crap and mold it into an average piece of clay and convince other teams he's a stud in the making.


He's not the best coach in the NFL, but what he has done speaks for itself.

[Razor]

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by T-RICH49

Vick turned the ball over as much if not more then Cassel...that's saying something

Meh that's nothing. Tony Romo threw nearly as much as both of them combined and he's a GREAT quarterback!

Just like Reid, Vick had a bad couple of seasons. Their injured OL did them no favors.

[T-RICH49]

@RapSheet
Landed in LA, this may be out there: Hearing Andy Reid is telling people he hopes to bring bothe Tom Heckert & Packers exec John Dorsey to KC

[descendency]

Originally Posted by T-RICH49

@RapSheet
Landed in LA, this may be out there: Hearing Andy Reid is telling people he hopes to bring bothe Tom Heckert & Packers exec John Dorsey to KC

Dorsey to KC without veto power? Very interesting.

[nepg]

Of course he said he wants both. There's no way both want to go, though. Makes absolutely no sense for Dorsey to leave Green Bay for a lateral move.

[BloodBrother]

Dorsey would be going as the GM it sounds like

[nepg]

They're pretty likely to bring back both Albert and Bowe. Both want to stay and have always wanted to stay. Really sounded like Bowe's agent was the driving force behind nothing getting down last off-season. I'm wagering that Dwayne will be far less-inclined to sit back while his agent plays hardball with his livlihood again.

With those two, the team has a lot of "plus" players.

RB: Charles, Gray (his lack of playing time was criminal)
WR: Breaston, Bowe, McCluster
TE: Moeaki, Maneri (blocking)
OT: Winston, Albert, Stephenson
OG: Allen, Asamoah
C: Hudson

DL: Poe, Pitoitua, Bailey
LB: Hali, Houston, Johnson, Siler
CB: Arenas, Flowers
S: Lewis, Berry

K: Succup
P: Colquitt

"Plus" players being at least good players that definitely have a legitimate role on any roster in the NFL. That's half the roster and all but a couple starters.

Then there are fringe/developmental guys that are already on the roster that could either step up and be plus players, be decent contributors, or not so much either...

RB: Draughn
FB: DiMarco
WR: Baldwin, Wylie, Newsome

DL: Toribio, Powe
LB: Studebaker, Jones
DB: Brown (who is a plus player if you count special teams), McCarthy, Elam, Menzie, Daniels

Didn't include Boss because he's likely done. Didn't include Jackson or Dorsey because both are up in the air and I'm not sure how Jackson even fits into whatever defense they'll run.

This is an instant 7+ win team. Should be more, but we'll keep expectations low for the transition year.

I'm assuming they'll go to a big 4-man front. They have the bigs, but need a couple DEs (depth). They need a CB to push Arenas & Brown. They need a S to compete with Lewis and Berry - mostly because Lewis is always injured. Offensively, they need a backup G and a backup C. They need a TE to compete with Moeaki and a thumper RB. Obviously they need a QB. I think they bring in Kafka as a backup and keep Stanzi for his competition (and grab someone else to be the #3 if he fails again, but I think Reid will like Ricky enough to give him a shot in camp).

Most all of that is simply depth. It's not a difficult transition at all. The difficult part will be for Dorsey/Heckert to resist blowing the entirety of the cap space Pioli created and screwing themselves for future years.

[bigbluedefense]

Will be interesting to see Reid's mark on this team. Andy loves loves LOVES drafting undersized but lightning fast players, both on offense and defense.

Look at the Eagles, they're a team of elves. But they're fast. That's Reid's philosophy, fast undersized defense, fast undersized skill position players on offense who can stretch the field.

KC doesn't have the WRs he likes, and their defense is a little bigger than he prefers, but I think he'll like the front line a lot.

[Iamcanadian]

I won't be shocked if he first tries his QB magic on Cassel before bringing in a 1st round QB sometime down the road. So Cassel may well be his starting QB.
I think he will draft OL and DL and maybe a WR. That's his style. No doubt he will switch to a 4-3 defense so changes will be most apparent there.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

I won't be shocked if he first tries his QB magic on Cassel before bringing in a 1st round QB sometime down the road. So Cassel may well be his starting QB.
I think he will draft OL and DL and maybe a WR. That's his style. No doubt he will switch to a 4-3 defense so changes will be most apparent there.

I would be REALLY shocked if Cassel is his QB. I'd be shocked if Cassel is even on the team next year.

[bigbluedefense]

I wouldn't assume that he switches to a 4-3 defense either. He could very well stick with a 3-4.

Although the transition to a 4-3 wouldn't be dramatic for the Chiefs. They already have the DL for it with Hali, Dorsey, Poe and Houston. The secondary is the secondary. Would just have to redo the LB core.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

I won't be shocked if he first tries his QB magic on Cassel before bringing in a 1st round QB sometime down the road. So Cassel may well be his starting QB.
I think he will draft OL and DL and maybe a WR. That's his style. No doubt he will switch to a 4-3 defense so changes will be most apparent there.

I'd be shocked if Cassell is his starting QB next year. And as for defense Reid is an offensive guy, I believe whoever he brings in to run the defense he will let them do it. And I mentioned it before, it's not really as important between 43 and 34, more important is the techniques he has the front playing

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by vidae

I would be REALLY shocked if Cassel is his QB. I'd be shocked if Cassel is even on the team next year.

Reid is a magician with QB's so why draft a doubtful one with the 1st overall pick and not try to bring his magic touch to Cassel. Cassel won 10 games with an offensive HC before.
I see him drafting a QB in round 3/4 and trying to develop him for the future.

[vidae]

Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson are lightyears ahead of Cassel in terms of overall skill at the position. That's why you draft one.

And with a weak QB class I don't get why people keep saying the Chiefs should draft the 5th or 6th best QB in the draft instead of getting the BEST QB in the draft.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I wouldn't assume that he switches to a 4-3 defense either. He could very well stick with a 3-4.

Although the transition to a 4-3 wouldn't be dramatic for the Chiefs. They already have the DL for it with Hali, Dorsey, Poe and Houston. The secondary is the secondary. Would just have to redo the LB core.

Reid isn't Tomlin, he's been a HC for a long time and won't hire a 3-4 DC. KC will absolutely be playing a 4-3. It is what he understands and believes in.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Reid isn't Tomlin, he's been a HC for a long time and won't hire a 3-4 DC. KC will absolutely be playing a 4-3. It is what he understands and believes in.

I disagree with this completely too. He believed in what Jim Johnson believed. Since Johnson passed his defenses have been average at best. He should see that our personnel is best suited for the 3-4 and act accordingly.

I hope.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by vidae

Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson are lightyears ahead of Cassel in terms of overall skill at the position. That's why you draft one.

And with a weak QB class I don't get why people keep saying the Chiefs should draft the 5th or 6th best QB in the draft instead of getting the BEST QB in the draft.

because cassell won some games with one of the greatest offenses ever. so he's clearly a fantastic qb that's just been held back by the complete lack of offensive talent on the chiefs. or something.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by vidae

Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson are lightyears ahead of Cassel in terms of overall skill at the position. That's why you draft one.

And with a weak QB class I don't get why people keep saying the Chiefs should draft the 5th or 6th best QB in the draft instead of getting the BEST QB in the draft.

Any other HC and I would be in complete agreement with you minus Wilson who I think isn't a top 25 prospect. However, Andy Reid is a genius at getting production out of his QB's and Haley got a lot out of Cassel(10 wins). I think Reid will believe he can do even better and face it, there isn't a QB worth a top 5 pick in this year's draft. Reid might change his mind in the post season if one clearly jumps ahead of the field but right now, I think he goes in a different direction and uses a latter round pick on a developmental QB.
You have to face the Reid reality, he is a QB guru who believes strongly in his ability to get the most out of a QB. He knows Cassel brought Haley 10 wins and he may want to see if he can get the most out of Cassel and with no clear cut QB ranked in the top 5, he may well wait another year before taking a risky QB with the #1 overall pick should things go wrong with Cassel.
I'm 100% with you in the 'Golden Rule', if you do not have a franchise QB, you draft one every chance you get till you find one, but Reid isn't a normal HC when it comes to QB's, so we'll just have to see what direction he takes. Right now, I think it isn't a foregone conclusion that he'll draft a QB.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by vidae

I disagree with this completely too. He believed in what Jim Johnson believed. Since Johnson passed his defenses have been average at best. He should see that our personnel is best suited for the 3-4 and act accordingly.

I hope.

Sorry to bring you down to earth, but experienced HC's don't change their spots for any reason. In hiring Reid, you get a HC who runs a certain offense, smaller, quicker RB's, solid OL's(high draft picks if necessary) and fast WR's and quick TE's and a QB who he knows he can get production out of. On defense, he is strickly a 4-3 guy, period and he isn't going to change for anybody. He'll draft DL till he gets the one he wants and doesn't mind using his #1 pick on them. This is Andy Reid so get used to it, he has a track record which he rarely varies from and at his age, he is going to stick with what he knows works for him.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

All this stuff you said

Ok, so instead of drafting a QB who is a hell of a lot more talented, this QB guru is going to roll with one who flat out sucks. Why not get the best out of a more talented QB, when you can get the "best" out of a ****** one? Woah, that makes SO much sense!

[Bengalsrocket]

One thing we do know is that Reid likes drafting QB's (or at leas the eagles did while he was there). Now that he's in a position to get the QB of his choice, I think he'll jump at the chance to grab whoever ends up being the consensus #1 pick.

I'm not even sure why someone would take the KC job without knowing that they HAVE to draft a QB this year.