Andy Reid hired as Chiefs HC

[nepg]

It'd take a lot to get Cassel out of the hole he fell into. He fell apart under the pressure of having to step up to the next level on the field. The guy was/is mentally broken. I don't expect him to be back because there are huge cap savings to be had by letting him go, but I wouldn't be shocked if Reid wanted to give him a look like Harbaugh did with Alex Smith.

And it's not that this QB class is necessarily weak, it's just really murky trying to figure out who has the best chance to be really good. It's filled with guys that have franchise QB tools or were very productive, but there really isn't a guy that has both of those things going for him along with an obvious "it" factor.

The Chiefs will draft a QB #1. It's the only flat-out need on this team.

As for the WRs thiefs have, Breaston, McCluster, and Wylie all fit really well into what Reid likes to do. Bowe gives him that TO factor to his offense that he had when it was at its best, and Baldwin still has a lot of potential. Again, these guys were all horribly mis- or under-used by Daboll.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Sorry to bring you down to earth, but experienced HC's don't change their spots for any reason. In hiring Reid, you get a HC who runs a certain offense, smaller, quicker RB's, solid OL's(high draft picks if necessary) and fast WR's and quick TE's and a QB who he knows he can get production out of. On defense, he is strickly a 4-3 guy, period and he isn't going to change for anybody. He'll draft DL till he gets the one he wants and doesn't mind using his #1 pick on them. This is Andy Reid so get used to it, he has a track record which he rarely varies from and at his age, he is going to stick with what he knows works for him.

Reid has shown a tendancy to draft defensive linemen, particularly DTs, in the first round but your assumptions are a little off base. Andy Reid's first draft pick in Philadelphia was Donovan McNabb. He got his QB who he was very successful with for pretty much ten years then built in the trenches

[YotoJets007]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Sorry to bring you down to earth, but experienced HC's don't change their spots for any reason. In hiring Reid, you get a HC who runs a certain offense, smaller, quicker RB's, solid OL's(high draft picks if necessary) and fast WR's and quick TE's and a QB who he knows he can get production out of. On defense, he is strickly a 4-3 guy, period and he isn't going to change for anybody. He'll draft DL till he gets the one he wants and doesn't mind using his #1 pick on them. This is Andy Reid so get used to it, he has a track record which he rarely varies from and at his age, he is going to stick with what he knows works for him.

Reid will change the system because he holds the highest role for landing a new GM. None of GM has known another than WCO and 4-3.

This should be good news for Hali and Houston. Both appear to be too heavy to play in space.

I have my doubt about Bowe and Baldwin on the same roster. That is why I mentioned DeAndre Hopkins.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by vidae

Ok, so instead of drafting a QB who is a hell of a lot more talented, this QB guru is going to roll with one who flat out sucks. Why not get the best out of a more talented QB, when you can get the "best" out of a ****** one? Woah, that makes SO much sense!

We are talking about the #1 overall pick, the last I checked the top QB in the draft has a 15-20 ranking, now the post season may change that but that is the facts right now and Reid may not want to put his eggs into a 15th to 20th ranked prospect. He may choose to wait till round 2 or 3 to find his guy or gamble that next year will offer him better value for a QB.
Sure, if we were talking about a Luck, RG111 or a Wilson, he might well draft one but we aren't. There are zero guarantees that a QB in this year's draft will turnout to be a true franchise QB, the odds are quite low.
On the other hand Reid definitely believes he can get production out of any QB and Cassel brought home 10 victories for Haley, another QB guru, so Reid may believe he can even improve upon Haley's production and get more wins out of Cassel. I think it is a risk he is willing to take based on his past record.
I think he will draft a complete stud for his defense and take a gamble with the QB position. It is just my thought based on his track record, your basing your choices on your experience with the KC personnel. We'll see on draft day who is right.

[SolidGold]

Reid is going to pick a QB - it's what he does best - develop QBs. Can't wait to hear KC fans whine about Reid throwing the ball too much and neglecting the running game though...hehe

[vidae]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

We are talking about the #1 overall pick, the last I checked the top QB in the draft has a 15-20 ranking, now the post season may change that but that is the facts right now and Reid may not want to put his eggs into a 15th to 20th ranked prospect. He may choose to wait till round 2 or 3 to find his guy or gamble that next year will offer him better value for a QB.
Sure, if we were talking about a Luck, RG111 or a Wilson, he might well draft one but we aren't. There are zero guarantees that a QB in this year's draft will turnout to be a true franchise QB, the odds are quite low.
On the other hand Reid definitely believes he can get production out of any QB and Cassel brought home 10 victories for Haley, another QB guru, so Reid may believe he can even improve upon Haley's production and get more wins out of Cassel. I think it is a risk he is willing to take based on his past record.
I think he will draft a complete stud for his defense and take a gamble with the QB position. It is just my thought based on his track record, your basing your choices on your experience with the KC personnel. We'll see on draft day who is right.

You lost me at Haley being a QB guru, because he is anything but. Haley was a WR coach, not a QB "guru" as you called him. And the Chiefs won 10 games because Charlie Weis made Cassel better, not Todd Haley.

And for all the crap people talk about there being no guarantees any QBs this year are any good, there are no guarantees that ANY PLAYER IN ANY YEAR WILL BE ANY GOOD. That argument falls flat.

[nepg]

Originally Posted by YotoJets007

Reid will change the system because he holds the highest role for landing a new GM. None of GM has known another than WCO and 4-3.

This should be good news for Hali and Houston. Both appear to be too heavy to play in space.

I have my doubt about Bowe and Baldwin on the same roster. That is why I mentioned DeAndre Hopkins.

Houston developed very quickly into a full-on linebacker, and that's what he'd likely do in a switch to a 4-3. Think: Von Miller.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Reid has shown a tendancy to draft defensive linemen, particularly DTs, in the first round but your assumptions are a little off base. Andy Reid's first draft pick in Philadelphia was Donovan McNabb. He got his QB who he was very successful with for pretty much ten years then built in the trenches

As I mentioned earlier, the top ranked QB in this year's draft prior to the post season lies currently in the 15-20 range and I cannot see Reid taking one with the #1 overall pick. now if one jumps out and finishes the post season ranked in the top 5, that is a whole different story.
I agree, if there were a QB in this year's draft that Reid really believed was a top rated QB, he would likely go in that direction, but there isn't at this point.
Reid isn't going to pass on a real stud at another position to draft a shaky QB, he'll first test out his abilities on Cassel to see if he can get real production out of him.
Of course, he could trade back quit a bit and take a QB or take one in round 2 or 3 depending on who he likes but I cannot see him using the #1 overall pick on a low rated QB.
I don't know how he feels about Cassel, only Reid knows that, but I am pretty sure he won't use the #1 overall pick on a QB who isn't ranked in the top 10, preferably in the top 5.

[NIN1984]

Chiefs franchise took a nosedive when Charlie Weis left. Its amazing Matt Cassel was a pro bowl/playoff QB under him.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

As I mentioned earlier, the top ranked QB in this year's draft prior to the post season lies currently in the 15-20 range and I cannot see Reid taking one with the #1 overall pick. now if one jumps out and finishes the post season ranked in the top 5, that is a whole different story.
I agree, if there were a QB in this year's draft that Reid really believed was a top rated QB, he would likely go in that direction, but there isn't at this point.
Reid isn't going to pass on a real stud at another position to draft a shaky QB, he'll first test out his abilities on Cassel to see if he can get real production out of him.
Of course, he could trade back quit a bit and take a QB or take one in round 2 or 3 depending on who he likes but I cannot see him using the #1 overall pick on a low rated QB.
I don't know how he feels about Cassel, only Reid knows that, but I am pretty sure he won't use the #1 overall pick on a QB who isn't ranked in the top 10, preferably in the top 5.

QB is always inflated value-wise in the draft. There are no Andrew Luck's or RG3's in this draft, but I know of a lot of people, myself included (not that my opinions or evaluations mean a great deal) who didn't think Cam Newton was a top player in the draft 2 years ago. QBs always gravitate towards the top of the draft to the point it is a shock when a QB is not chosen first overall.

Even if Reid doesn't like Geno or any other QB, who does he take?

Won't take Joeckel IMO. I think they keep Albert and they paid Winston big money.

Star makes some sense if they go to a 43, however I don't think that is for certain.

Werner doesn't make much sense with both Hali and Houston

Too early for Te'o

There is no clearly defined best player of the draft at this point. Due to the fact that QB's always get overdrafted and the Chiefs have a gigantic need for a QB I would still be shocked if he doesn't take one, unless he pulls of a trade for someone or picks a guy like Alex Smith up as a stop gap

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by vidae

You lost me at Haley being a QB guru, because he is anything but. Haley was a WR coach, not a QB "guru" as you called him. And the Chiefs won 10 games because Charlie Weis made Cassel better, not Todd Haley.

And for all the crap people talk about there being no guarantees any QBs this year are any good, there are no guarantees that ANY PLAYER IN ANY YEAR WILL BE ANY GOOD. That argument falls flat.

Sorry but scouts and GM's are actually quite good for the most part at identifying talent. Sure not every one is equal in that regard but for the most part, the better one are usually right on when appraising talent in round 1.

As for Haley, he was the OC for Arizona and got the most out of Kurt Warner when everybody had given up on him. He was hired recently by Pittsburgh as OC to help Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and is being considered by Arizona for their HCing position, a team notoriously weak at QB. While HCing KC with Cassel at QB, he got 10 wins out of him. His resume with QB's looks solid to me.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

QB is always inflated value-wise in the draft. There are no Andrew Luck's or RG3's in this draft, but I know of a lot of people, myself included (not that my opinions or evaluations mean a great deal) who didn't think Cam Newton was a top player in the draft 2 years ago. QBs always gravitate towards the top of the draft to the point it is a shock when a QB is not chosen first overall.

Even if Reid doesn't like Geno or any other QB, who does he take?

Won't take Joeckel IMO. I think they keep Albert and they paid Winston big money.

Star makes some sense if they go to a 43, however I don't think that is for certain.

Werner doesn't make much sense with both Hali and Houston

Too early for Te'o

There is no clearly defined best player of the draft at this point. Due to the fact that QB's always get overdrafted and the Chiefs have a gigantic need for a QB I would still be shocked if he doesn't take one, unless he pulls of a trade for someone or picks a guy like Alex Smith up as a stop gap

I think you are forgetting how much production he gets out of the QB position and I think he will look at Cassel the last time he had a QB HC and see he produced 10 wins. He may well be willing to see how much he can get out of Cassel and take a developmental QB in round 2 or 3, or even wait till next year to draft a QB when the value fits the need.
Reid is no fool and won't overdraft a QB with the #1 overall pick who he doesn't see as a top 5 prospect. He isn't the Tennessee, Jacksonville or Minny GM. He's run the Philly draft for many years and made the playoffs 9 times.
I'd say Lotulelie and To'e are possibilities.

[Mufasa]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Reid isn't Tomlin, he's been a HC for a long time and won't hire a 3-4 DC. KC will absolutely be playing a 4-3. It is what he understands and believes in.

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

On defense, he is strickly a 4-3 guy, period and he isn't going to change for anybody.

That's ridiculous. If Andy Reid ran the defense you might have a point, but he's an offensive guy. I doubt he cares all that much which defensive scheme is run as long as it's productive.

Yeah his teams have always ran a 4-3, but that's because he had the same defensive coordinator for the first 10 years. Then when they had to move on they promoted McDermott who had spent his whole career coaching that defense, so of course he was going to try and run the same thing.

It's pretty much all about the coordinator and the players in place, not Andy Reid.

Mike McCarthy had run a 4-3 for a few years, then he hires Dom Capers and they're a 3-4 team now. The Patriots have moved between systems and Belichick is a defensive guy. Good coaches make adjustments.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

As for Haley, he was the OC for Arizona and got the most out of Kurt Warner when everybody had given up on him. He was hired recently by Pittsburgh as OC to help Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and is being considered by Arizona for their HCing position, a team notoriously weak at QB. While HCing KC with Cassel at QB, he got 10 wins out of him. His resume with QB's looks solid to me.

Sorry, in no way is Haley a QB guru. And for the second time, Charlie Weis got Matt Cassel and the Chiefs to 10 wins, not Haley. You're wrong here.

[nepg]

Jeff Rutledge was the QB coach for Warner with the Cardinals. He coaches HS Football now.

And, to be fair to IAC...if his facts were better, he'd have a decent argument. Cassel did great with coordinators that were former QB coaches in Josh McDaniels and Charlie Weis. The rumored OC coming to KC is Pat Shurmur, who was the QB coach for the Eagles during their really good run.

[fenikz]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Sorry but scouts and GM's are actually quite good for the most part at identifying talent. Sure not every one is equal in that regard but for the most part, the better one are usually right on when appraising talent in round 1.

As for Haley, he was the OC for Arizona and got the most out of Kurt Warner when everybody had given up on him. He was hired recently by Pittsburgh as OC to help Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and is being considered by Arizona for their HCing position, a team notoriously weak at QB. While HCing KC with Cassel at QB, he got 10 wins out of him. His resume with QB's looks solid to me.

Don't think we have any actual interest in him, it would just look bad if we didn't at least ask Pittsburgh for permission after his offense carried us to the Superbowl

[Splat]

Originally Posted by nepg

It'd take a lot to get Cassel out of the hole he fell into. He fell apart under the pressure of having to step up to the next level on the field. The guy was/is mentally broken. I don't expect him to be back because there are huge cap savings to be had by letting him go, but I wouldn't be shocked if Reid wanted to give him a look like Harbaugh did with Alex Smith.

That's cute. Your BFF is as good as gone.

[nepg]

Originally Posted by Splat

That's cute. Your BFF is as good as gone.

Her look everyone! It's Splat trying to start ****! You're a ******* tool, dude. All you ever post are regurgitations from the local radio retards. I look at things from all perspectives and try to make mostly objective posts that reflect various perspectives.

But you want to ignore everything I've said about Cassel and just attack me. Go back to the little kids table. Your lack of perspective and ability to think for yourself is cringe-worthy.

[Splat]

Originally Posted by nepg

Her look everyone! It's Splat trying to start ****! You're a ******* tool, dude. All you ever post are regurgitations from the local radio retards. I look at things from all perspectives and try to make mostly objective posts that reflect various perspectives.

But you want to ignore everything I've said about Cassel and just attack me. Go back to the little kids table. Your lack of perspective and ability to think for yourself is cringe-worthy.

Because everything you have said about him is flat out wrong. Thy guy is NOT a good QB period. Everyone besides you knows this to be a fact.

You have blamed everyone under the moon besides Matt Cassel for his bad play and it's a freaking joke.

It's always the coaches didn't do enough or the players around him aren't good enough. How about he just sucks at football? You ever think of that?

I think Matt Cassel is a great guy and a good teammate he just has no business whatsoever being a starting QB.