2012 NFL Wild Card Weekend Discussion Thread. - Page 53

soybean · 01-06-2013, 11:04 PM

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Received a very classy text from @TrentW71. Great player! This is an emotional game no ill will either way. Have a great Pro Bowl! Well deserved

Scotty D · 01-06-2013, 11:55 PM

I love when Wilson ran out in front of Lynch to block on a couple of runs. The TD run looked like a block in the back though.

-Indy played above the head this season. I wouldn't be surprised to see them below .500 next season.

-Shanahan needed to show some balls and pull Griffin out of there. Griffin would tell you he is good to go if he had half a leg.

AFC - Denver vs NE
NFC - GB vs SEA

Forenci · 01-07-2013, 12:07 AM

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I'd have loved to see Kirk earlier but your bat **** crazy if you think they didn't have the necessary discussions regarding rg3s knee before they left him in. You have zero experience in this situation at this level. Cutler gts blasted for being a ***** but turn the tables and all of a sudden things are different? ********. You guys are completely basing this on ZERO information other than what you can see which is a qb busting his ass clearly not 100% but doing everything he canto win a game.

Oh my goodness. Would you please stop telling people they have no experience in this situation? You don't have any experience either.

One of the best doctors in the nation came out PRIOR to the game today and said he had serious concerns about Griffin being out there.

Use your damn brain. Regardless if he was cleared, the dude clearly couldn't play with his knee and was limping around the field. You don't risk your franchise quarterback for ONE game in his career. It's absurd. How the hell are you defending this? By pretending that we don't understand what it's like? Well hooray, neither do you so what's your point?

If I was a Redskins fan I would be LIVID. I'm not willing to risk my franchise signal caller for one game. Playoff game or not. You don't take that risk when it's blatantly obvious the guy is struggling with an injury.

XxXdragonXxX · 01-07-2013, 12:07 AM

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Also, for those saying Sherman shouldn't have been in William's face talking trash after a win....

Sherman went over to RG3 and gave him a hug and was talking to him, Trent Williams came up and told him he was going to "slap the **** out of him," Sherman said "Go ahead." That was it.

Cigaro · 01-07-2013, 12:10 AM

Eh, I don't mind **** talkers in sports. Its all in the game, yo.

Mufasa · 01-07-2013, 12:16 AM

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Also, for those saying Sherman shouldn't have been in William's face talking trash after a win....

Sherman went over to RG3 and gave him a hug and was talking to him, Trent Williams came up and told him he was going to "slap the **** out of him," Sherman said "Go ahead." That was it.

Well he did give him permission then...

SuperPacker · 01-07-2013, 12:23 AM

What I don't understand is why these Redskins fans defending Shanahan are defending him in the first place. He's the reason your franchise quarterback is seriously injured and he could've stopped it. Everyone here knew RG3 should've taken out of the game, yet they decide to keep him in. If that was Aaron Rodgers out there I know i'd be pissed at management.

I feel terrible for Griffin and hope he's okay, but with what the Redskins did earlier, they deserved to have their franchise quarterback injured.

WCH · 01-07-2013, 12:23 AM

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Eh, I don't mind **** talkers in sports. Its all in the game, yo.

I agree. I expect **** talkers in sports. Some people make too big of a deal out of it.

TACKLE · 01-07-2013, 12:33 AM

I find it interesting/annoying how different the narrative is between two players who face the same situation when one widely disliked (Cutler) and one is widely liked (Griffin)...

Cutler gets called a p*ssy. Griffin gets called a victim.

Rosebud · 01-07-2013, 12:43 AM

I think both Cutler and RGIII were perfectly justified. People just like ******** on cutler cause he looks apathetic all the time while Bob has permanent grin.

WCH · 01-07-2013, 01:09 AM

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I find it interesting/annoying how different the narrative is between two players who face the same situation when one widely disliked (Cutler) and one is widely liked (Griffin)...

Cutler gets called a p*ssy. Griffin gets called a victim.

I agree, but I also think that there's a difference between a rookie Robert Griffin playing in a wild card game, and a veteran Jay Cutler playing against the Packers for a chance to go to the Super Bowl. People didn't have a problem with Cutler leaving the game due to injury; they had a problem with him leaving the game when he was potentially two quarters away from the Super Bowl.

I do agree with you, though.

TACKLE · 01-07-2013, 01:14 AM

I really don't understand how people are getting so upset with Shanahan. You have to look at it through his perspective. Does anyone really think that RG3 wasn't telling the coaching/training staff that he was good to go and wanted to go? Shanahan doesn't know Griffin's body and pain tolerance better than Griffin himself does and it's not like they can give him an MRI on the sideline. So if Griffin says he can go and wants to go, Shanahan is supposed to say no?

The player also has a responsibility to not hurt the team by forcing himself out there. In regards to fighting through injuries, there's a fine line between toughness and selfishness. Griffin may have crossed it. At the same time, it's extremely difficult for any player to have to judge whether he at 60% gives the team a better chance to win than back 100%.

When something like this happens, everyone looks for someone to blame. It's a very tricky situation but in the end Griffin and Shanahan both wanted the same thing. No one is really to blame.

SuperPacker · 01-07-2013, 01:16 AM

The situations are exactly the same, keeping RG3 in was worse than keeping Cutler in, but with hindsight (without hindsight in Griffin's case) both were bad.

OSUGiants17 · 01-07-2013, 01:18 AM

after reading this thread

SuperPacker · 01-07-2013, 01:18 AM

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I really don't understand how people are getting so upset with Shanahan. You have to look at it through his perspective. Does anyone really think that RG3 wasn't telling the coaching/training staff that he was good to go and wanted to go? Shanahan doesn't know Griffin's body and pain tolerance better than Griffin himself does and it's not like they can give him an MRI on the sideline. So if Griffin says he can go and wants to go, Shanahan is supposed to say no?

Shanahan needed to understand that it didn't matter how hurt Griffin was, he wasn't going to say he was too injured to play. He obviously can't feel what Griffin is feeling, but seeing him limping heavily after falling on the ground without getting hit should be a massive indicator that Griffin isn't ok. To answer your question, YES. Of course he should say no.

yo123 · 01-07-2013, 01:19 AM

I don't think the fact that RGIII isn't blameless necessarily means that Shanahan is any less to blame. Should Griffin have continued to tell him that he was ok when he clearly wasn't? Probably not, but a competitor like him isn't going to want to want to come out of his first playoff game. Shanahan has been doing this a long time, and he should have known that Griffin wasn't going to be completely honest with him regardless of how he really felt.

Regardless of what Shanahan was told, that designed run they ran for him where he limped the entire way to the sideline should have set off some red flags. It was really inexcusable to leave him in after that.

TACKLE · 01-07-2013, 01:30 AM

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Shanahan needed to understand that it didn't matter how Griffin was, he wasn't going to say he was too injured to play. He obviously can't feel what Griffin is feeling, but seeing him limping heavily after falling on the ground without getting hit should be a massive indicator that Griffin isn't ok. To answer your question, YES. Of course he should say no.

Why does Griffin not have any responsibility for his own personal well-being? Why is he not responsible for deliberately being dishonest and hurting the team and forcing himself out there?

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No, I ******* love him. Top troll and top CB in the game right now.

SuperPacker · 01-07-2013, 01:41 AM

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Why does Griffin not have any responsibility for his own personal well-being? Why is he not responsible for deliberately being dishonest and hurting the team and forcing himself out there?

Griffin can take some of the blame, but Shanahan is the one that's responsible. He's the coach for a reason. He makes all the decisions and in the end whatever happens he's responsible for, because he let it happen.

TACKLE · 01-07-2013, 01:50 AM

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Griffin can take some of the blame, but Shanahan is the one that's responsible. He's the coach for a reason. He makes all the decisions and in the end whatever happens he's responsible for, because he let it happen.

When did the head coach become more responsible for the physical well-being of the each individual player than the individual players themselves?

brat316 · 01-07-2013, 01:52 AM

Doesn't matter league stands for Not For Long. Its all about the bottom line $$

MetSox17 · 01-07-2013, 01:54 AM

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When did the head coach become more responsible for the physical well-being of the each individual player than the individual players themselves?

He's responsible for the well being of the franchise, which is directly related to the well being of RG3. Him risking his QB further is greatly risking the future success of the team he is paid to have succeed.

Halsey · 01-07-2013, 01:59 AM

Shanahan would be getting criticized had he chosen to force Griffin to sit the game out.

Forenci · 01-07-2013, 02:07 AM

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Shanahan would be getting criticized had he chosen to force Griffin to sit the game out.

Doubtful considering that Andrews expressed opinions prior to the game taking place about his health. That and the main fact everyone and their mother could see during the game how hurt Griffin was. That was the issue at hand. Would some people be upset if he sat him after the first quarter? Probably but I think most people would be applauding him. I certainly would.

When it's that blatantly obvious, along with doctors concerns and the fact you should never risk your franchise QB's long term health over one game I don't think the back lash would be very bad.

Cigaro · 01-07-2013, 02:12 AM

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Come on man, not that far above you:

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Eh, I don't mind **** talkers in sports. Its all in the game, yo.

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I agree. I expect **** talkers in sports. Some people make too big of a deal out of it.

Ness · 01-07-2013, 02:14 AM

After that bootleg early on when Griffin limped away, I don't see how people would grill Shanahan if he did pull him out of the game. How many series after that did Griffin and the offense NOT do anything? And then he goes and busts his knee. The Redskins had a legitimate chance to win this game and were in control early. If they had made the switch to Cousins after it was completely obvious that Griffin was hurting and it was effecting his play, Washington could have at least made the game close if not flat out win the darn thing. Obviously by the time Cousins came in it was way too late. Even if people did get on Mike's case, I'd rather be in that position then the one he's in now with Griffin's future in jeopardy after his rookie season.