The 2013 Cowboys Draft Thread - Page 11

CowboysBeastMode · 01-06-2013, 07:18 PM

man witten i was gonna come out 2morrow with a full offseason mock guess you beat me top the punch

CowboysBeastMode · 01-06-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Witten4HOF

Jarvis is definite stretch but I expected some flack over that for sure. Just wanted to mix it up a bit, there is some thought that if Thomas goes into the combine and runs sub 4.4 he might rise into the 2/3rd range but we will wait for that.

Who else do you think fell from heaven in an impossible situation ?

dependent on brandon williams combine and senior bowl i think he could be a top 10 pick (yeah top 10) especially after poe last year based on the little film ive seen he's much further along than poe was coming out.

thomas in the fourth i see him in third but he has some questions about his size so maybe we'll se

btw cowboys dont have 7th round pick we traded it to miami for phil cook

Witten4HOF · 01-06-2013, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CowboysBeastMode

dependent on brandon williams combine and senior bowl i think he could be a top 10 pick (yeah top 10) especially after poe last year based on the little film ive seen he's much further along than poe was coming out.

thomas in the fourth i see him in third but he has some questions about his size so maybe we'll se

btw cowboys dont have 7th round pick we traded it to miami for phil cook

good call on the 7th I completely forgot that we invested it in Cook.

I agree that Williams can rise with a good senior bowl showing and combine but comparing him to Poe is a tough thing to do. Poe at least played Div I ball and in his final season played semi relevant teams in Mississippi St, East Carolina, Arkansas St and UCF. Williams played in a split Div II/III league, I played for a Div III football team and if you could rip though the line and tackle me 4 yards in the backfield it meant nothing for your draft status lol.

Joking aside there is a huge talent jump between the divisions and we will really get to see what he is made of. Another factor in his draft status is that he turns 24 next month so he is on the older side for prospects. I think at best he can crack the late first with everything on his side but we will see.

Speaking of Poe I talked to Viddea on one of the other forums who is a big KC fan, he has been fairly impressed with Dontari's development and said he really came on mid season. I'm pretty sure we were the only two on the bandwagon so I thought that I would share that little nugget with you.

CowboysBeastMode · 01-06-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Witten4HOF

good call on the 7th I completely forgot that we invested it in Cook.

I agree that Williams can rise with a good senior bowl showing and combine but comparing him to Poe is a tough thing to do. Poe at least played Div I ball and in his final season played semi relevant teams in Mississippi St, East Carolina, Arkansas St and UCF. Williams played in a split Div II/III league, I played for a Div III football team and if you could rip though the line and tackle me 4 yards in the backfield it meant nothing for your draft status lol.

Joking aside there is a huge talent jump between the divisions and we will really get to see what he is made of. Another factor in his draft status is that he turns 24 next month so he is on the older side for prospects. I think at best he can crack the late first with everything on his side but we will see.

Speaking of Poe I talked to Viddea on one of the other forums who is a big KC fan, he has been fairly impressed with Dontari's development and said he really came on mid season. I'm pretty sure we were the only two on the bandwagon so I thought that I would share that little nugget with you.

we'll see what williams does in the senior bowl first then we can bring up this conversation again.

i can't wait for the senior bowl this year, i've never been so excited for it before there are alot players that i wanna check out this year

D-Unit · 01-07-2013, 12:01 AM

I don't think it makes enough sense to compare Williams to Poe. Poe really didn't blow up until after the combine when he ran an unofficial 4.87 at 350 pounds. Williams is smaller and probably won't run that fast.

Reason why I like Williams more than I ever liked Poe was Williams actually showed up on the field. His stats are very nice (even if the competition is lower). Poe did nothing. We dodged a bullet with him, imo.

AcheTen · 01-07-2013, 08:20 AM

An idea:

Jerry trades into the top-5 (just like last year). Who does he target, if he does this, and what are the chances he does?

Damontre Moore? Could be the 3rd pass rusher the Cowboys really need. Star Lotulelei? Could be the dominating NT to spell Ratliff and eventually replace him. Another OT like Luke Joeckel? Could replace the ineffective Doug Free.

Witten4HOF · 01-07-2013, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AcheTen

An idea:

Jerry trades into the top-5 (just like last year). Who does he target, if he does this, and what are the chances he does?

Damontre Moore? Could be the 3rd pass rusher the Cowboys really need. Star Lotulelei? Could be the dominating NT to spell Ratliff and eventually replace him. Another OT like Luke Joeckel? Could replace the ineffective Doug Free.

The team is projected to be $20 mil over the salary cap with 44 contracts on the books. We need bodies in camp and the draft is the cheapest way to do so, bundling picks is probably out of the question this year.

leroyisgod · 01-07-2013, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AcheTen

An idea:

Jerry trades into the top-5 (just like last year). Who does he target, if he does this, and what are the chances he does?

Damontre Moore? Could be the 3rd pass rusher the Cowboys really need. Star Lotulelei? Could be the dominating NT to spell Ratliff and eventually replace him. Another OT like Luke Joeckel? Could replace the ineffective Doug Free.

If we were to jump into the top 5 there's only 2 players in my mind I'd want. Lotulelei or Joeckel. Can Lotulelei play DE in a 3-4?

D-Unit · 01-07-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AcheTen

An idea:

Jerry trades into the top-5 (just like last year). Who does he target, if he does this, and what are the chances he does?

Damontre Moore? Could be the 3rd pass rusher the Cowboys really need. Star Lotulelei? Could be the dominating NT to spell Ratliff and eventually replace him. Another OT like Luke Joeckel? Could replace the ineffective Doug Free.

I don't think it makes sense for us this time. The players at the top of the draft are not significantly more elite. I see the real value of this draft in the mid first to mid 3rd. If anything I would like to stock pile picks in that range.

Macarthur · 01-07-2013, 01:13 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't mind a drop down a few spots to maybe get another 3rd or 4th rounder.

D-Unit · 01-07-2013, 04:06 PM

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Yeah, I wouldn't mind a drop down a few spots to maybe get another 3rd or 4th rounder.

Would be nice, but it's easier said than done. Like I said earlier in my forum mock experience. I posted to everyone that I was looking to trade down, but nobody was interested. The depth of this draft makes 18 just as good as 25 (random number). Just not worth it enough for a team to give up a 3rd or 4th to do it.

Sometimes you think a team would trade up for a QB, so hopefully some of the hype of some QBs start rising up through the draft process. Right now it's just dead. Both Barkley and Glennon got drafted in Round 2. They need to drive their stock up to Round 1 for a team to be willing to give up a later pick. *Crosses fingers*

Macarthur · 01-07-2013, 04:12 PM

Makes sense.

shylo3716 · 01-07-2013, 10:23 PM

I would like to know will Jerry Jones draft a QB this year in the first round, because I have a gut feeling he will take Barkley if y'all stay at #18

CowboysBeastMode · 01-07-2013, 11:56 PM

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I would like to know will Jerry Jones draft a QB this year in the first round, because I have a gut feeling he will take Barkley if y'all stay at #18

thats asinine asiten asileven asitwevle

D-Unit · 01-08-2013, 12:26 AM

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I would like to know will Jerry Jones draft a QB this year in the first round, because I have a gut feeling he will take Barkley if y'all stay at #18

Why does your gut tell you that?

LonghornsLegend · 01-08-2013, 04:15 AM

So, Warmack and Barrett Jones are absolute BEAST. It's incredible watching those 2 next to eachother, and how could anybody possibly not love Barrett Jones as a pick? Two time All American, has the pedigree of going through that program to his Senior year, he's started at three different positions in the SEC and was great at them all, and he has the looks of one of those players you absolutely know will be a great pro.

There just seems to be no bust factor there. He's one of the guys who you'll see transition really easy and won't be surprised he's a consistent starter. I would love him as our Center, and the versatility is a great bonus. I can't find any reason to not want him.

Warmack is just a monster though, he is a big mauler who can move like Iupati a few years back, and he's extremely athletic for his size. He's going to be an instant improvement on the run game to whoever gets him. I think he's gone by our pick anyway.

Trogdor · 01-08-2013, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by shylo3716

I would like to know will Jerry Jones draft a QB this year in the first round, because I have a gut feeling he will take Barkley if y'all stay at #18

I think it's more likely he trades the pick for a deck of cards and a new employee to wipe his glasses. Team is committed to Romo and will probably give him an extension before training camp to lessen his cap hit.

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So, Warmack and Barrett Jones are absolute BEAST. It's incredible watching those 2 next to eachother, and how could anybody possibly not love Barrett Jones as a pick? Two time All American, has the pedigree of going through that program to his Senior year, he's started at three different positions in the SEC and was great at them all, and he has the looks of one of those players you absolutely know will be a great pro.

There just seems to be no bust factor there. He's one of the guys who you'll see transition really easy and won't be surprised he's a consistent starter. I would love him as our Center, and the versatility is a great bonus. I can't find any reason to not want him.

Warmack is just a monster though, he is a big mauler who can move like Iupati a few years back, and he's extremely athletic for his size. He's going to be an instant improvement on the run game to whoever gets him. I think he's gone by our pick anyway.

Problem is it is hard to evaluate Jones when he's a part of one of the better college offensive lines in recent memory. I love his versatility and it is extremely rare for a prospect to play well at all 5 OL positions. That being said I'd take Cooper and Warmock over him without flinching and would have to think REALLY hard about him vs Dallas Thomas. That to me is where I push him down into the 2nd due to his company. Most years I'd say mid-late 1st but Cooper/Warmock are heads and shoulders better as prospects IMHO.

I think at 18 we'll have a crack at one of the two top OG and it'll depend on how we value the next tier (Jones/Thomas/Warford/Richardson/Bailey/Frederick/etc). Personally I think the top two guards are worth the 18 spot but we have other needs so I wouldn't be mad targeting one from the next tier in rounds 2 or 3.

That also allows me to root for Vaccaro in the first! :D

MetSox17 · 01-08-2013, 06:53 AM

Vaccaro in the first, Barret Jones in the second.

/fap

LonghornsLegend · 01-08-2013, 07:50 AM

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Problem is it is hard to evaluate Jones when he's a part of one of the better college offensive lines in recent memory. I love his versatility and it is extremely rare for a prospect to play well at all 5 OL positions. That being said I'd take Cooper and Warmock over him without flinching and would have to think REALLY hard about him vs Dallas Thomas. That to me is where I push him down into the 2nd due to his company. Most years I'd say mid-late 1st but Cooper/Warmock are heads and shoulders better as prospects IMHO.

I think at 18 we'll have a crack at one of the two top OG and it'll depend on how we value the next tier (Jones/Thomas/Warford/Richardson/Bailey/Frederick/etc). Personally I think the top two guards are worth the 18 spot but we have other needs so I wouldn't be mad targeting one from the next tier in rounds 2 or 3.

That also allows me to root for Vaccaro in the first! :D

We all should. That goes without saying. Those guys are top 15 prospects who may not even make it to us, Barrett Jones is a second round guy. He's not on the level of those guys but he also wouldn't cost the same pick. Warmock should be long gone, if he's not and we don't take him I'd throw my TV out of a window. I'd trade a 4th to move up slightly to ensure we got him. If not I love Cooper there, but either one of those guards would massively upgrade our running game. The way Warmock can move up to the next level and engage blockers is a thing of beauty.

I'm not against Safety in the 1st either, but at the moment probably leaning Guard.

leroyisgod · 01-08-2013, 08:24 AM

Last night was my first chance to watch a complete Alabama game this year. I have to say I'd be all in with Warmack in the 1st and I don't know if Jones makes it to the 2nd round.

CowboysBeastMode · 01-08-2013, 09:43 AM

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I don't know if Jones makes it to the 2nd round.

WHAT i watched jones all night and he was falling all over the place and could barely move

ive never been high on jones and obviously he was hampered by that foot injury but to say imply that you were impressed by that performance is crazy

leroyisgod · 01-08-2013, 09:51 AM

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WHAT i watched jones all night and he was falling all over the place and could barely move

ive never been high on jones and obviously he was hampered by that foot injury but to say imply that you were impressed by that performance is crazy

A simple I would disagree would have sufficed.

Macarthur · 01-08-2013, 10:04 AM

Nix did push Jones around some last night. What it looked like to me was that while he was able to wall off Nix and keep him blocked, so to speak, he did get pushed back.

That is my concern about Jones at Center is his ability to anchor esp against big NTs. he seems to lack that core strength to hold his ground.

CowboysBeastMode · 01-08-2013, 11:53 AM

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A simple I would disagree would have sufficed.

i disagree

Witten4HOF · 01-08-2013, 11:59 AM

Guard is a weird position and guys always seem to slide, DeCastro was supposed to be a top ten lock at one point in the process and ended up sliding to the Steelers. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Warmack was available at #18 but even if he isn't I think Cooper would be a very nice fit. Cooper is probably the better athlete in the open field and could pull and trap from the RG. That is an added feature we really couldn't do with Bernadeau at guard and troubles at center.

As for Barrett Jones he is not an elite anchor even when healthy but I felt he did a nice job especially with a bum leg. He certainly needs to continue to work on his strength, looking at him in street clothes he doesn't necessarily look like he has a football body. That is a testiment to how good his technique is and make his accomplishments even more impressive to me. I think with a year in a NFL Strength and Conditioning program he could be a legit 315 with much better functional strength.

Someone else who is on my radar is Travis Frederick who has experience at C/G and has some size to him. The combine will be important for his draft stock because his one knock is he is heavy footed and will have trouble with speed at the next level.