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Old 01-07-2013, 03:22 PM    (permalink
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Do people think he'll come out after next season?

If so, Dallas needs to trade their 1st this year for one next year! PANIC MODE!!!
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If he has a similar year, and there's no reason to think he won't, it would be stupid for him to stay.
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Do people think he'll come out after next season?

If so, Dallas needs to trade their 1st this year for one next year! PANIC MODE!!!
Well you have the whole he only played two years argument, but that didn't keep Mark Sanchez from being a high pick.

In your favor is you have two guys out there in Clowney and Bridgewater who may go before Manziel so the chances of Jerry trading up would probably be pretty good.

I'm always for guys staying as long as they can but with the hype over Johnnyzzzz he most likely will come out.
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2014 teams that might be looking for a QB in Round 1...TEN, OAK, DAL

AFC East
New England Patriots - No, Brady
Miami Dolphins - No, Tannehill
New York Jets - No, Will get a QB this year
Buffalo Bills - No, Fitz or will get a QB this year

AFC North
Baltimore Ravens - No, Will re-sign Flacco
Cincinnati Bengals - No, Dalton
Pittsburgh Steelers - No, Big Ben
Cleveland Browns - No, the Weeden project is still being tested

AFC South
Houston Texans - No, Schaub
Indianapolis Colts - No, Luck
Tennessee Titans - Yes, people will finally admit Locker sucks
Jacksonville Jaguars - No, if they don't draft a QB in Round 1, they will in Round 2

AFC West
Denver Broncos - No, Manning
San Diego Chargers - No, Phillips
Oakland Raiders - Yes, Palmer is a stop gap and Pryor is a joke.
Kansas City Chiefs - No, Geno Smith

NFC East
Washington Redskins - No, RG3
New York Giants - No, Eli
Dallas Cowboys - YES! Romo's a FA!
Philadelphia Eagles - No, will get a QB this year

NFC North
Green Bay Packers - No, Rogers
Minnesota Vikings - No, Ponder
Chicago Bears - No, Cutler
Detroit Lions - No, Stafford

NFC South
Atlanta Falcons - No, Ryan
Carolina Panthers - No, Newton
New Orleans Saints - No, Brees
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - No, Freeman

NFC West
San Francisco 49ers - No, Kaep
Seattle Seahawks - No, Wilson
St. Louis Rams - No, Bradford
Arizona Cardinals - No, will get a QB this year
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^I'm going to laugh when you guys trade up to like 12 for Mike Glennon.
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Lmao naw they gonna get Tyler Bray.
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If Manziel ever hopes to be solid as a pro, there's no way he jumps from A&M after only two years starting if he still has eligibility left.

He's in the 2015 draft at the earliest IMO.
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If Manziel ever hopes to be solid as a pro, there's no way he jumps from A&M after only two years starting if he still has eligibility left.

He's in the 2015 draft at the earliest IMO.
Eh. He already has a Heisman. If he's slated to go top 5, which he probably will be, it's been proven time and time again that it's wise to go pro.
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Eh. He already has a Heisman. If he's slated to go top 5, which he probably will be, it's been proven time and time again that it's wise to go pro.
When has it been proven to go early at the Qb position?

I'm just looking for examples, cause I've seen more failures when you leave early.
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When has it been proven to go early at the Qb position?

I'm just looking for examples, cause I've seen more failures when you leave early.
Leinart, Barkley off the top of my head.
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Leinart, Barkley off the top of my head.
Colt Brennan off the top of my head.
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Comparison. I see him like a genetically enhanced Jeff Garcia. Same size but Manziel's arm is stronger and he's a better runner/scrambler, which is saying something because Garcia could skip.
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2014 teams that might be looking for a QB in Round 1...TEN, OAK, DAL

AFC East
New England Patriots - No, Brady
Miami Dolphins - No, Tannehill
New York Jets - No, Will get a QB this year
Buffalo Bills - No, Fitz or will get a QB this year

AFC North
Baltimore Ravens - No, Will re-sign Flacco
Cincinnati Bengals - No, Dalton
Pittsburgh Steelers - No, Big Ben
Cleveland Browns - No, the Weeden project is still being tested

AFC South
Houston Texans - No, Schaub
Indianapolis Colts - No, Luck
Tennessee Titans - Yes, people will finally admit Locker sucks
Jacksonville Jaguars - No, if they don't draft a QB in Round 1, they will in Round 2

AFC West
Denver Broncos - No, Manning
San Diego Chargers - No, Phillips
Oakland Raiders - Yes, Palmer is a stop gap and Pryor is a joke.
Kansas City Chiefs - No, Geno Smith

NFC East
Washington Redskins - No, RG3
New York Giants - No, Eli
Dallas Cowboys - YES! Romo's a FA!
Philadelphia Eagles - No, will get a QB this year

NFC North
Green Bay Packers - No, Rogers
Minnesota Vikings - No, Ponder
Chicago Bears - No, Cutler
Detroit Lions - No, Stafford

NFC South
Atlanta Falcons - No, Ryan
Carolina Panthers - No, Newton
New Orleans Saints - No, Brees
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - No, Freeman

NFC West
San Francisco 49ers - No, Kaep
Seattle Seahawks - No, Wilson
St. Louis Rams - No, Bradford
Arizona Cardinals - No, will get a QB this year
everyone is getting a QB this year!
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Leinart and Locker were both projected to go top 5 their junior years, and came back for senior year and dropped in draft stock. While Barkley's draft stock has plummeted this year, not sure it would have been better last year with Luck and Rg3 in the mix.

As for QBs who came out early, there's plenty who were correct to do so. I doubt Vince Young could have improved his draft stock staying another year, same with Bradford, Newton, Luck, RG3, etc. It's always best to go pro when you have the best draft position possible. And the old adage that players should play longer in college to "get more experience" is bunk; the longer players (especially QBs) stay in college, the more ingrained their bad habits will become. Playing on a pro team is a far better learning experience than staying in college another year.

As for Mr Football, unless A&M wins the NCAA Championship next year, I suspect he'll stick with A&M another 2 seasons and then enter the draft.
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Leinart, Barkley off the top of my head.
What??

They didn't leave early? they both stayed for their senior years.


Colt also stayed.


I'm looking for Jrs/R-SO that did good when they went pro.


Oh you mean dropping since they stayed, I thought you meant they did good since they left early. Well with pay scale doesn't matter anymore.
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What??

They didn't leave early? they both stayed for their senior years.


Colt also stayed.


I'm looking for Jrs/R-SO that did good when they went pro.
You aren't understanding my point.

It would behoove JM to leave early after next season. When your stock is top 10 there is no reason to risk A) injury or B) a falling stock.

RS-SOPH I can't think of any. But of course no RS FROSH has ever won the Heisman...

As for Jrs, there are tons.

There is no precedence with this kid though so I don't know why you are trying to come up with some similar path some completely different player took that will somehow determine his destiny or impact his prospects in any way...
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I thought you meant it was proven that guys that leave early have success in the NFL.
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Just heard a quote today that Bob Stoops said Manziel was the greatest college QB he's ever seen...

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Yeah that Bob Stoops.
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Colt Brennan off the top of my head.
How many NFL QBs left after only two years starting in college who turned out to be good NFL QBs??
People are mentioning Leinart because his draft stock fell after he stayed another year. But would he have been a better pro if he left after winning the Heisman??

Would Barkley be a better pro if he'd left last year??

Manziel needs at least two more seasons as a starter for A&M.
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Mark Sanchez could have used some more time.
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Just heard a quote today that Bob Stoops said Manziel was the greatest college QB he's ever seen...

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Yeah that Bob Stoops.
They just faced Geno Smith and West Virginia, old Bob must of been mistaken.
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He just would have to find throwing lanes, like Wilson and Brees do, but not many short qbs can do that, and thats where I feel his short comings will be.

Then again with the use of more spread and shotgun formations, doesn't really matter.
One thing I thought about watching Wilson yesterday was how much he resembled Manziel when standing in the pocket. I'm pretty sure that Wilson has a better arm, he is a downright good arm, but Manziel has uncannny accuracy on some really difficult throws.

At this stage of their careers, Wilson, as a freshman, was looking like he might be a pretty good college QB but wasn't even being considered for the NFL (partly due to baseball, but also because people kept saying, "if only he were 3-4 inches taller...") while Manziel is being looked at as a legit NFL prospect.
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Mark Sanchez is also Mark Sanchez and Johnny Manziel is Johnny Football.

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People were all over Taylor Martinez and Denard Robinson as well, and both those guys are going to have to move off the position, just like Manziel. Real fun college football player, but NFL defenses will pound him. He's got a long way to go during which he will be picked apart by scouts and draftniks alike.
Yeah, but NOBODY was ever saying either one of these guys would EVER be NFL QBs... you know, due to the fact that they can't actually throw the ball.
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