So do people still believe the Patriots skill players are good?

[HypocrisyIsGreat]

Originally Posted by DBNYDP

Welker didn't suck in Miami.
His first year, he was a rookie with Gus Ferrote as his QB. He was a 3rd receiving option but had a decent year as an undrafted WR.
His second year he led the team in the receptions and was second in the team in receiving by only 100 yards with Joey Harrington and Dante Cullpepper as his QB.

When he got to New England he was targeted more by Tom Brady so it really isn't a surprise he had a better year and continued to do so.

Not rocket science.

He had 67 grabs for 670 yards and 1 touchdown in Miami. That's pitiful production for your "best receiver". Blaming it on the QB play is laughable, because apparently playing with Tom isn't supposed to take anything away from his NE production according to you guys.

[HellonEarth84]

Danny Woodhead is very good at what he does. He's the same type of player as Reggie Bush. Puts up similar numbers when he's given a chance. And he is much cheaper than Bush.


Welker is one of the best WR's in the league. Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, and Michael Irvin all agree.

Gronk/Hernendez are the best TE duo in the NFL.


Ridley is good, but not great. He's better than Benjarvus Gree-Ellis though.

Brandon Lloyd is decent.

[HypocrisyIsGreat]

Originally Posted by HellonEarth84

Danny Woodhead is very good at what he does. He's the same type of player as Reggie Bush. Puts up similar numbers when he's given a chance. And he is much cheaper than Bush.


Welker is one of the best WR's in the league. Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, and Michael Irvin all agree.

Gronk/Hernendez are the best TE duo in the NFL.


Ridley is good, but not great. He's better than Benjarvus Gree-Ellis though.

Brandon Lloyd is decent.

Woodhead= Reggie Bush.

Welker= top flight WR.

This place has nothing but idiots.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

Woodhead= Reggie Bush.

Welker= top flight WR.

This place has nothing but idiots.

We're really trying to do something about it, but you just keep coming back to post here.

[TitansCJftw]

[Monomach]

Originally Posted by TitansCJftw

[JordanTaber]

Originally Posted by cmarq83

Position distinctions are really important to you huh Jordan? I mean you have already established that a player with a number in the 50's can in no way possibly cover a 200 sq ft area against a player with a number in the 80's regardless of the player or situation.

Anyways curse BB's coaching genius! He's so brilliant that he was able to scheme a 6'4" 260 lb guy with decent hands to play a position generally occupied by 6'4" 260 lb guys with decent hands. What sorcery was this that allowed such a preposterous thing to happen? An out route at the back of the end zone you say? Brilliant! What innovation, it's too bad other coaches couldn't think of this.

If it's so easy, why isn't every coach doing it?

Furthermore what cutting edge coaching he used to make completely averagely talented wide receivers into functional nickel CB's. Who knew guys who possess above average agility, good functional strength, ball skills, and demonstrated tackling ability could make it as CB's with brilliant schemes behind them? I mean it's not every day that somebody comes up with man coverage on a slot receiver or a zone covering the flat.

Never mind that these players probably played these positions in high school. Their college coaches decided that they should play another position, and after that those players should forget everything they ever learned playing other positions. How dare BB break with convention? He should have used a roster spot to sign a guy with less knowledge of the Patriots defensive playbook, who wasn't accustomed to the coaches and culture, and who possessed worse athletic ability just so they could put a # in the 20's on him. Then they'd be able to cover without brilliant scheming just like standouts Kyle Arrington and Darius Butler have.

Did you hear that, everyone? They probably played these positions in HIGH SCHOOL! This means they can be effective doing it again for the first time in years in the NFL.

Let's award bonus points because Belichick put Troy Brown on the field on defense for one of his gimmick plays. Let's ignore the fact that he was painfully slow and multiple coaching staffs had him before Belichick and thought, "well, he's our #3 receiver."

[JordanTaber]

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Oh hey guys, nice to see you

That flies in the face of the most common counter of the pro-Welker folks: "If it's the system, why isn't everybody doing it? Why aren't there Wes Welkers on every team in the league?"

Well, Wes Welker himself was on the Miami Dolphins and didn't do what Wes Welker did on the Patriots. Same player, different results in different schemes.

Like I said, product of a system. You put Wes Welker on another team and he's done in the NFL within a couple years.

[TitansCJftw]

[JordanTaber]

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

I'm starting to come round to Jordan's line of thinking. BB is just the greatest offensive mind ever, he only pretended to be a defensive coach to troll the league. You look at it, Brown wasn't as successful before him, Welker was ok in Miami before becoming uber-productive in New England, and Randy Moss!!! Boy don't get me started on that guy, he sucked balls his whole career until Bill Belichick decided he was gonna screw around with the league again. Belichick takes turrrrrbel WRs and makes them great

Apparently you missed the fact that Belichick has experience working on the offensive side of the ball under Ken Shipp. He was also the Giants' special teams coach for a number of years.

He is/was one of those rare coaches who excelled in coaching/scheming for all phases of football.

[Monomach]

[WCH]

Originally Posted by JordanTaber

That flies in the face of the most common counter of the pro-Welker folks: "If it's the system, why isn't everybody doing it? Why aren't there Wes Welkers on every team in the league?"

Well, Wes Welker himself was on the Miami Dolphins and didn't do what Wes Welker did on the Patriots. Same player, different results in different schemes.

Like I said, product of a system. You put Wes Welker on another team and he's done in the NFL within a couple years.

As you just mentioned: he was on another team, and he was (for all intents and purposes) traded for a 2nd round draft pick within two years.

I expect this type of crap from HypocrisyIsGreat, but you're better than this, Jordan.

[JordanTaber]

Originally Posted by WCH

As you just mentioned: he was on another team, and he was (for all intents and purposes) traded for a 2nd round draft pick within two years.

I expect this type of crap from HypocrisyIsGreat, but you're better than this, Jordan.

If he went somewhere else at this stage of his career, a couple 40 catch, 450 yard, 2 TD seasons would be the end of his utility to a team.

[TitansCJftw]

[TitansCJftw]

[HypocrisyIsGreat]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

We're really trying to do something about it, but you just keep coming back to post here.

DC posters are the one comparing Danny Woodhead and Reggie Bush. Blow it out your ass. My football intellect runs circles around yours.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

DC posters are the one comparing Danny Woodhead and Reggie Bush. Blow it out your ass. My football intellect runs circles around yours.

1 poster, 1 poster who doesn't even post on here much...so yeah, basically the whole community...dumbass...that said I like that last line, more stuff like that and you could stop being a useless troll and become a funny one. Lock 2 wins. Championship.

[Prowler]

This is all I see when I look at this thread.



It hurts my eyes, yet oddly arouses me.

[JordanTaber]

Originally Posted by cmarq83

Yet he somehow consistently gains over 1000 yards and convinced his HOF coach to invest $10 million to keep him around despite having someone who can replace him perfectly right on the bench.

Well, so much for that.

Looks like the Patriots agree with me. Imagine that.

[cmarq83]

Originally Posted by JordanTaber

Well, so much for that.

Looks like the Patriots agree with me. Imagine that.

[Monomach]

Originally Posted by JordanTaber

Well, so much for that.

Looks like the Patriots agree with me. Imagine that.

No one loves you.




No one.

[JordanTaber]

Originally Posted by Monomach

No one loves you.




No one.

Clearly you do. To the point where a restraining order may be necessary...

[Zycho32]

So now he's going from Tom Brady to Peyton Manning, a secretly diminished Peyton Manning who will lean on him more than Brady did since the Gronkowski/Hernandez duo came to New England.

Sounds like the 'system' will still be in place for him.

No matter. If the 'system' works, the detractors are just whining because its hurting them at gametime.

[JordanTaber]

Originally Posted by Zycho32

So now he's going from Tom Brady to Peyton Manning, a secretly diminished Peyton Manning who will lean on him more than Brady did since the Gronkowski/Hernandez duo came to New England.

Sounds like the 'system' will still be in place for him.

No matter. If the 'system' works, the detractors are just whining because its hurting them at gametime.

Not a chance. Manning won't feed him like Brady did. Thomas and Decker will take precedence. Welker will do ~ 80-850-4, and probably still get voted to the Pro Bowl, thanks to the idiots.

[FUNBUNCHER]

If you don't think Tom Brady wants Welker back, you're nuts.