New York Giants Discussion

[CowboysBeastMode]

Originally Posted by Big_Pete

Just a thought

If we are unable to afford to resign Kenny Phillips, is it worth putting the franchise tage on him and trading him, perhaps for a 2nd round pick?

The safety free agency group and draft class doesn't have a lot of elite talent, I could see teams like Miami, Cincinnati and St Louis being interested.

this is the best safety class since 2010, idt cincy would give up a draft pick for an often injured player if they could a young safety like vacarro or elam

[bigbluedefense]

I want Kenny back anyway. He's the most important player in our secondary.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I want Kenny back anyway. He's the most important player in our secondary.

Unfortunately I don't expect him back.

[bigbluedefense]

Why not? I don't think he'll be that expensive.

[Giantsfan1080]

Given his injury history I think we lowball him and some other team with more space than us will be willing to give him more up front money. He's not tied to NYC either as I read an interview and he basically doesn't care where he ends up.

[bigbluedefense]

Well that really sucks. He's gonna be a huge blow to our team.

Rolle is not a good FS. He's a good box safety and he's a good nickel CB, but he can't play FS, he's very average in that role.

Hill will be a very good SS, but we're gonna give up a lot of big plays without Kenny.

Going with Rolle and Hill at safety will hurt us a little. I'm also not sold yet on Hosely to hold down the nickel CB spot, and Webster will only get worse as he ages, so we have some serious issues in our secondary.

[Giantsfan1080]

I want him to stay but that's all just my opinion. Hope I'm wrong.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Why not? I don't think he'll be that expensive.

There was an article stating he was annoyed with the medical staff on how they went about his knee treatment, and the system supposedly, he wasn't thrilled with.

I can see him not wanting to come back here.

[bigbluedefense]

We need to cut fat off our roster to open up money to keep him. If we restructure/cut Canty, restructure Rolle, cut/restructure CWeb, etc we can free up enough money to keep him I think.

His knees won't just scare us. It'll scare every team interested. Maybe seeing what happened to Steve Smith will make him think twice about leaving. Hopefully.

Either way, this is shaping up to be a major rebuilding year for us if things play out the way I think they may

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Oh yeah, this is a big test or exam for Reese in terms of free agency and roster management. Let's be honest, Reese shines in the draft process but still needs to improve with the roster aspect. The Steve Smith situation was a mess and losing Ballard was a god awful. So Reese still has room for improvement and this will be a big, big off season. Making bad decisions could really set us back.

[Giantsfan1080]

The Smith situation wasn't really his fault and it turned out he was right anyway.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

Oh yeah, this is a big test or exam for Reese in terms of free agency and roster management. Let's be honest, Reese shines in the draft process but still needs to improve with the roster aspect. The Steve Smith situation was a mess and losing Ballard was a god awful. So Reese still has room for improvement and this will be a big, big off season. Making bad decisions could really set us back.

Huh? The Steve Smith situation helped us win a SB. And we upgraded from Ballard.

His roster management is one of his strongest traits.

[bigbluedefense]

In fact you can make an argument that he's actually starting to become overrated as a drafter.

His ability to find bargain FAs to fill out the roster is actually his best attribute.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Huh? The Steve Smith situation helped us win a SB. And we upgraded from Ballard.

His roster management is one of his strongest traits.

No, I mean the contract aspect. And how their side felt that we were waiting too long in offering Smith a contract, hence the whole tweet by Smith on how the Eagles WANTED him more

Yeah, we upgraded from Ballard, but we had too because Reese botched it up. So much so Coughlin was livid, and basically had to watch what he said in answering media questions after it happened.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Well all that drafting stuff means is that things changed once he became GM and hired Ross. Things were fine when Reese was director of college scouting, and our best draft, 2007 class, when when we pulled double duty. He balled out when he was GM AND his old job.

Reese now has handed the keys to Ross so all complaints have to hit him. I actually want Reese to do both jobs if possible. That's when we hit a home run.

[Giantsfan1080]

Reese screwed up the Douglas thing this year also. I'm hoping that doesn't come back to bite us.

[bigbluedefense]

He didn't screw that up. Douglas didn't do a damn thing for any other team either.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

He didn't screw that up. Douglas didn't do a damn thing for any other team either.

Well he's still raw as a player but he had a Cruz like camp. There was no reason to have Beckum on the roster this year. That should have been a spot for Douglas.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Well he's still raw as a player but he had a Cruz like camp. There was no reason to have Beckum on the roster this year. That should have been a spot for Douglas.

I don't know man. I think you're overrating him. We were guilty of overrating our depth at WR and LB this past offseason. All of those backups are jags at best.

Our WR core is thin now too. Barden is gone, and beyond Nicks, Cruz, and Randle, we have nothing. Jernigan is our 4, and he sucks. Nothing after him.

Hixon is done. Love the guy, but he's done.

I'd like to see us develop a TE. Adrian Robinson, I completely forgot he was even on the team. He needs to show something this training camp.

3 guys that desperately need to show us something this training camp are Adrien Robinson, Marvin Austin, and James Brewer.

[Giantsfan1080]

Fine even if you don't care for Douglas we wasted a roster spot all year on Beckum. He should have been IR'ed. Instead he was active for one game and then continually sat even though he never was going to play because of the injury. Bad roster management.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Reese screwed up the Douglas thing this year also. I'm hoping that doesn't come back to bite us.

Yeah I hated that as well. I know Eric from BBI, and I shared that view. I had forgot about that. Good call man!

[bigbluedefense]

It wasn't really bad roster management though bc it's not like Douglas was any good either. He'd also never see the field and would never make an impact. At least we've seen Beckum do it in the past in spurts. What has Douglas done?

It's not like he went to some other team and pulled a Danny Amendola on us. He hasn't done ****. So what's the big deal?

[Giantsfan1080]

He's a rookie. Just because he hasn't done anything yet doesn't mean he won't in the future. Cruz didn't do anything his rookie year either. Beckum was clearly never back from injury so once his PUP time was up he should have went right to IR. The gamble they took to activate was a mistake. Roster spots are like golid in the NFL you know that.

[bigbluedefense]

Wait, Douglas was the white dude right?

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Yes, LOL. He was the white dude.