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Eazy Picks · 01-11-2013, 11:45 PM

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The entire reason why I brought up Roethlisberger and Warner was because of this comment:

That should have nothing to do with anything. Roethlisberger played at Miami of Ohio. Won a Super Bowl in his second season. The pressure didn't seem to effect him too much. Kurt Warner went to Iowa State and won a Super Bowl in his first season as an NFL starter. I'm not saying this will be a similar road for Colin Kaepernick, but to judge his psyche heading into an NFL game based on his college pedigree is a little dumb in my opinion. Peyton Manning went to Tennessee and was 0-3 to start his playoff career and didn't even win a playoff game until his sixth season. The college you went to shouldn't have anything to do with it. That's all I'm saying and that's the reason I brought it up. If Kaepernick has a bad game I doubt part of the reasoning will be because he attended Nevada.

Im not saying the Nevada thing is a big deal, obviously it isn't. It's just one of many factors that help paint the picture of Kaepernicks career. And Im not saying he is going to choke or anything, but just that he isn't mentally developed enough yet to outduel Rodgers.

If the 49ers D and run game looked drastically better than the Pack, Id say hes got a shot, but the Packs D is lookin really tough right now and Dajuan Harris is running hard. They remind me of the Packers 2 years ago with Starks coming out of nowhere and being really effective in the playoffs, and the defense shutting everyone down. Throwing on Woodson, Williams, Shield, Hayward, and Burnett is gonna be hard.

Ness · 01-12-2013, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Eazy Picks

Im not saying the Nevada thing is a big deal, obviously it isn't. It's just one of many factors that help paint the picture of Kaepernicks career. And Im not saying he is going to choke or anything, but just that he isn't mentally developed enough yet to outduel Rodgers.

If the 49ers D and run game looked drastically better than the Pack, Id say hes got a shot, but the Packs D is lookin really tough right now and Dajuan Harris is running hard. They remind me of the Packers 2 years ago with Starks coming out of nowhere and being really effective in the playoffs, and the defense shutting everyone down. Throwing on Woodson, Williams, Shield, Hayward, and Burnett is gonna be hard.

Well throwing on any NFL team, including the Packers, isn't easy. I don't see what your basis is for your conclusion that he isn't mentally developed enough to outduel Aaron Rodgers. What does that even mean? That because he has started half a season, that he can't rise to the occasion and win a shoot out? Even though he has played well? I feel like we already went through this last season when Alex Smith outdueled Drew Brees and the greatest offense known to man. It was his first playoff game as well. People were saying that if the 49ers got behind or the Saints offense got on fire he wouldn't be able to keep up, etc, etc.

Again, he may fold. But to take the tone of "oh well it's obvious that he isn't mentally prepared to go toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs" just seems weird to me given what we've seen this year, which if anything, supports the notion that he can go toe to toe with the best in the NFL.

Eazy Picks · 01-12-2013, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Well throwing on any NFL team, including the Packers, isn't easy. I don't see what your basis is for your conclusion that he isn't mentally developed enough to outduel Aaron Rodgers. What does that even mean? That because he has started half a season, that he can't rise to the occasion and win a shoot out? Even though he has played well? I feel like we already went through this last season when Alex Smith outdueled Drew Brees and the greatest offense known to man. It was his first playoff game as well. People were saying that if the 49ers got behind or the Saints offense got on fire he wouldn't be able to keep up, etc, etc.

Again, he may fold. But to take the tone of "oh well it's obvious that he isn't mentally prepared to go toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs" just seems weird to me given what we've seen this year, which if anything, supports the notion that he can go toe to toe with the best in the NFL.

Well the Saints D sucked. And Kaepernick struggled against Seattle, who have the best secondary in the league. Well, the Packers have the 2nd best secondary in the league. and i dont see what doesnt make sense about the reasoning that he may have a hard time dueling with the best qb in the game. hes gonna be in a position where he needs to play perfect, and hes not used to that. rodgers has been doin it all year.

Ness · 01-12-2013, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Eazy Picks

Well the Saints D sucked. And Kaepernick struggled against Seattle, who have the best secondary in the league. Well, the Packers have the 2nd best secondary in the league. and i dont see what doesnt make sense about the reasoning that he may have a hard time dueling with the best qb in the game. hes gonna be in a position where he needs to play perfect, and hes not used to that. rodgers has been doin it all year.

Oh alright the Saints defense sucked. I kind of have to smile when I hear that. First it was (and I know you specifically didn't say this) that keeping up with Brees just couldn't happen, and now it's "well the Saints defense sucked so that was why". I heard that a lot after the Saints game last year, but none of it before.

Kaepernick also smoked the Bears and their great secondary in his first start. Aaron Rodgers also struggled against Seattle. As a matter of fact, most quarterbacks did. The Packers have the second best secondary in the NFL? Wait, how so? Are we going by statistical categories? San Francisco ranks higher than they do and so do a few other teams.

I never said he couldn't have a hard time against the Packers. I am saying that to believe that it's a sure-fire bet that he isn't mentally prepared (your statement didn't see to leave open any other possibility except struggling) to outduel Aaron Rodgers is premature to me. As if it couldn't happen or something.

I don't want to come off sounding like a homer, but it's just that a statement like that seems a little off-base if we're taking the stance of absolutes, which in this sport is hard live by in a lot of contexts I believe.

Eazy Picks · 01-12-2013, 10:17 AM

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Oh alright the Saints defense sucked. I kind of have to smile when I hear that. First it was (and I know you specifically didn't say this) that keeping up with Brees just couldn't happen, and now it's "well the Saints defense sucked so that was why". I heard that a lot after the Saints game last year, but none of it before.

Kaepernick also smoked the Bears and their great secondary in his first start. Aaron Rodgers also struggled against Seattle. As a matter of fact, most quarterbacks did. The Packers have the second best secondary in the NFL? Wait, how so? Are we going by statistical categories? San Francisco ranks higher than they do and so do a few other teams.

I never said he couldn't have a hard time against the Packers. I am saying that to believe that it's a sure-fire bet that he isn't mentally prepared (your statement didn't see to leave open any other possibility except struggling) to outduel Aaron Rodgers is premature to me. As if it couldn't happen or something.

I don't want to come off sounding like a homer, but it's just that a statement like that seems a little off-base if we're taking the stance of absolutes, which in this sport is hard live by in a lot of contexts I believe.

U got me all wrong if you think Im talking in absolutes. Were talking about predicting football here, and I love to yap and say what I think will happen, but the reality is anything can happen out there on that gridiron. And I think this is a great matchup, and theres no question the Niners are good enough to win. But when Im trying to predict who I think will win, in a matchup between great teams, both with great defenses? Well, Im gonna look at the QBs, and I see a major difference in maturity level and playoff experience b/w the two, plus Rodgers happens to the reigning MVP and won the SB last year, and plays great on the road and can handle the weather. And I see that being the difference in the game. I dont think the Packers defense is as far behind the Niners D as the Niner O is behind the Packer O, and that is mostly because of who the Packers have behind center. And thats what Im basing my pick on.

Eazy Picks · 01-12-2013, 10:41 AM

oh and all Im saying is theres no way you can compare the Saints and the Packers defenses. Its a different level of challenge. If the 49ers were playing the Saints Id be saying Kaepernick will throw for 300 and run for 100 and win easily. Against the Pack, Im not so confident. And he needs to put up more points than Rodgers. And dont count on Rodgers throwing picks and giving him a lead to play with. Maybe Dashon Goldson or Pat Willis will force a big fumble.

Ness · 01-12-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eazy Picks

U got me all wrong if you think Im talking in absolutes. Were talking about predicting football here, and I love to yap and say what I think will happen, but the reality is anything can happen out there on that gridiron. And I think this is a great matchup, and theres no question the Niners are good enough to win. But when Im trying to predict who I think will win, in a matchup between great teams, both with great defenses? Well, Im gonna look at the QBs, and I see a major difference in maturity level and playoff experience b/w the two, plus Rodgers happens to the reigning MVP and won the SB last year, and plays great on the road and can handle the weather. And I see that being the difference in the game. I dont think the Packers defense is as far behind the Niners D as the Niner O is behind the Packer O, and that is mostly because of who the Packers have behind center. And thats what Im basing my pick on.

Okay fair enough. By the way Aaron Rodgers didn't win the Super Bowl last year.

Babylon · 01-12-2013, 12:40 PM

How's your weather Nestlé, it's freezing up here in Seattle (literally)

Ness · 01-12-2013, 12:43 PM

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How's your weather Nestlé, it's freezing up here in Seattle (literally)

I just woke up. It is still fairly cold here. Been worse though. 48 degrees and sunny. Should stay about the same around the start of the game. I wonder how bad the wind will be at that time.

Eazy Picks · 01-12-2013, 11:10 PM

or maybe kaepernick will have a record breaking performance and ******* shred the packers d lol

Ness · 01-12-2013, 11:28 PM

To be fair he did seem rattled early on. And not just on the pick six. There were a number of rocket balls that just weren't connecting and/or were inaccurate.

49erNation85 · 01-12-2013, 11:45 PM

Well ya wrong about sf not being able to defeat the packers. Time to re pick. Ya boy !!

Eazy Picks · 01-13-2013, 10:22 AM

well it looks live ive been right all along about the greatness of kaepernick i suppose. I was wrong that he would struggle in his first playoff game. He threw the one pick-6 and then played perfect the rest of the game. The real surpise in this game honestly tho was seeing Crabtree just toast tramon williams. I thought that was gonna b a good battle, and I thought Tramon would end up with a pick at some point if they kept throwing at him, but every big third down they were going to the crabtree.