New York Giants Discussion

[bigbluedefense]

Yeah he wasn't gonna do ****.

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Yeah he wasn't gonna do ****.

Maybe..... The point is we are all painfully aware that Beckum wasn't going to do **** and hasn't done **** in what 4 years now? Might as well take a chance on the unknown.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Promising talent and would have been a great roster move considering Beckum is now useless and gone, Barden gone, and perhaps Hixon. So you promote and develop him, plug R.R., and see what this kid can do.

That's how you build a team. Instead you stash a kid who has promise, and lose him. All for what? Barden? Beckum?

[bigbluedefense]

That's true. I guess I was hoping Beckum could somewhat make up for the lack of a #3 WR on the roster but he just never did anything.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

What was his niche? Reese said in cold weather he could be the 3rd down guy for short and intermediate routes. He was useless for so long, and then became useless and a china doll. Barden is useless and now will leave this team. Hixon is gone too. And a promising talent gets snatched off the PS.

So basically like I said, Reese in the GM capacity of roster management has a lot to do to equal his reputation in drafting and scouting.

[Jughead10]

Speaking of white WRs.....does anyone else get mad when they see Kevin Walter still playing for the Texans 10 years later?

[NY+Giants=NYG]

No, because some guys leave and do well. We had Wake come in too and he left. We didn't want them or think much of them, and they did well. What angers is when we see talent, and try to keep the talent and they get poached or because of roster mismanagement we loss a Jake Ballard, or Douglas, or Steve Smith because we try to low ball or wait in offering a contract.

Sadly, that's a growing pain we are living through with Reese.

[Jughead10]

Forgot Wake. Since the Dolphins have been terrible, their games aren't televised as much. Texans have gotten a lot more coverage lately.

I just always think that we had to keep Tim Carter's worthless ass for so long but Kevin Walter is still catching balls in this league. F'ing Fassell.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Yeah Fasshole and Accorsi was a dreadful GM and HC talent evaluators.

[bigbluedefense]

Yeah I know Ernie gets a lot of love by most Giant fans but I didn't think much of him. He was a mediocre GM.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I agree, in fact, I will go one step further and say I never liked him. Barely over .500 as a GM here, and the drafting with Fasshole was pathetic!

[Giantsfan1080]

Well he got us Eli so for that alone we owe him.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

That's his legacy and a great one. He went ALL IN and won that hand. So he gets 1000000% credit for that. But when he worked with Fasshole, and Marv Sutherland our drafts stunk! Then Sutherland left and we promoted Reese. Our drafts got better. Then Fasshole got fired, and we had EA, Coughlin, and Reese, that was the jackpot!

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

Speaking of white WRs.....does anyone else get mad when they see Kevin Walter still playing for the Texans 10 years later?

Two words. Jamaar Taylor.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

That's his legacy and a great one. He went ALL IN and won that hand. So he gets 1000000% credit for that. But when he worked with Fasshole, and Marv Sutherland our drafts stunk! Then Sutherland left and we promoted Reese. Our drafts got better. Then Fasshole got fired, and we had EA, Coughlin, and Reese, that was the jackpot!

When did Reese take over as director of college scouting?

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

When did Reese take over as director of college scouting?

After the Shockey draft Sutherland retired and then Reese got promoted. Obviously coaching can be added going from Fasshole to Coughlin.


It went George Young - Tom Boisture

EA - Marv Sutherland

EA - Jerry Reese

Jerry Reese - Jerry Reese '07

Jerry Reese - Marc Ross


For example, EA, Fasshole, Sutherland < EA, Coughlin, Reese

[BaLLiN]

what do you guys think about mike jenkins and antoine cason?

[Big_Pete]

Originally Posted by BaLLiN

what do you guys think about mike jenkins and antoine cason?

Either would be decent at the right price, I don't mind Cason. But I think they will be too expensive, I would rather use the $$ to resign Phillips.

Webster may not be quite the player he used to be, but he is still solid. I think he will take a sizeable pay cut (perhaps a contract extension, converting a lot of his $7m salary into bonuses)

Other than that we will likely add cb depth in the draft.

Our priorities should be upgrading the OL and LB group and bolstering depth at CB and DL

[Big_Pete]

I think I have been guilty of under-estimating our offensive line. Sure it needs some tweaking, but it actually performed quite well.

Here is some interesting stats from 2012:

The Giants scored 429 points, the second-highest in team history after the 448 scored by the 1963 Giants. (35 points more than they scored during the 2011 regular season).

Manning was only sacked 19 times, down from 28 in 2011

The rushing attack improved to a respectable 14th (116.4 yds/game) from 32nd (89.2 yds/game) in 2011

Certainly there are a lot of factors in play and play of Hynoski, Bennett and Pascoe certainly helped, but perhaps people (including me) have under estimated how our line played, particularly as they battled injuries most of the year.

Sure we could use improve the talent on the line, but it isn't like we need a major re-tooling.

[OSUGiants17]

Anyone know of a site where I can get a Giants throwback jersey like this one:


only with a current player on it? I am looking everywhere and I don't think I can get one anywhere

[bigbluedefense]

I think the frustrating part for me, as I watch these playoffs is knowing that had the Giants just got in the door, they could have done some damage.

Now I'm not saying they'd be in the CG, but I wouldn't count them out of it either.

Blown opportunity. Bc this team was sniffing its own ass too much this season, with Tuck being the ringleader of it.

I was really hoping we'd cut Tuck this offseason but looks like we're stuck with his "leadership" for one more year.

[Rosebud]

I really hope we get a high end rookie DE who, with Kiwi, can really push Tuck for PT so that on days Tuck doesn't feel like playing we just won't play him as much, and on days where he actually shows up, we can utilize him.

[bigbluedefense]

Tuck has 1 more year on his contract. I don't see him getting an extension. I'd like to use him strictly as a 3rd down interior pass rusher moving forward, but that's unrealistic to expect. He's gonna loaf around all 3 downs and take plays off just like this year. Coughlin won't bench him or put him in a smaller role bc of his influence in the lockerroom.

[Giantsfan1080]

The swipes at Tuck's leadership are nonsense. You send like one of those moron beatwriters going after Eli.

[bigbluedefense]

It's not nonsense at all. Leadership is leading by example. Loafing around, not playing hard, constantly making excuses after losses, the whole "we've been here before I'm not concerned" nonsense coming out of his mouth etc is not leadership.

It's ridiculous. He only got his ass in gear last year after the real leader of our defense, Rolle, called his ass out.

Remember when you weren't concerned about the team's play? How did that turn out? Sometimes when you see something talk, walk and act like a duck, it's a duck.

Tuck simply isn't a leader, show me how he is.