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Old 01-13-2013, 02:41 PM    (permalink
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I said it's a crappy program right now. You obviously didn't read the S.I. article from last year or my comment. That's two out of twelve teams. The Mountain West has a higher rpi than the Pac-12 for the second straight year.
Yes, a team that has won 9 straight including a win over #7 Mizzou is "crappy". They took a while to mesh, but that's pretty understandable. Which is why I told you 2 weeks into the season to wait to judge them, when you were already writing them off.

Before you say what I have read, I'm pretty sure I did read an article about LAST year's team. But apparently to you that's relevant to THIS year's team that has 4 out of 5 starters who weren't even on last years team. Good argument.

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UCLA is a disaster. I'm not surprised that they imploded. If they weren't UCLA, they never would have been ranked so high in the first place.
That looks to me like you are saying UCLA is imploding after Smith transferred. You have firmly established yourself as the troll of this thread.
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So you say. You can't say that the 2013 class is better than the 2012 class until they actually play in college first.
You can say it was a better class of prospects, for sure. They might not turn out to be better, but you can still evaluate the class. Saying you can't say one year's class is better than another year's class is like saying you can't consider Kentucky's class better than Wyoming's.
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Yes, a team that has won 9 straight including a win over #7 Mizzou is "crappy". They took a while to mesh, but that's pretty understandable. Which is why I told you 2 weeks into the season to wait to judge them, when you were already writing them off.

Before you say what I have read, I'm pretty sure I did read an article about LAST year's team. But apparently to you that's relevant to THIS year's team that has 4 out of 5 starters who weren't even on last years team. Good argument.

In regards to your comment, you said this:

That looks to me like you are saying UCLA is imploding after Smith transferred. You have firmly established yourself as the troll of this thread.
You didn't read the S.I. article. It wasn't only about last year's UCLA team. It was about several years worth of UCLA teams.
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You can say it was a better class of prospects, for sure. They might not turn out to be better, but you can still evaluate the class. Saying you can't say one year's class is better than another year's class is like saying you can't consider Kentucky's class better than Wyoming's.
He didn't mention them as prospects. Yes, the prospects are better. However, that means nothing until they play the game.
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You didn't read the S.I. article. It wasn't only about last year's UCLA team. It was about several years worth of UCLA teams.
And how many players from those teams are on this years team? You continue to reference an irrelevant article talking about past teams, diverting from the fact that your own comments were in reference to this years team imploding due to the Smith and Lamb transfers. Keep trolling man...
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He didn't mention them as prospects. Yes, the prospects are better. However, that means nothing until they play the game.
He did mention them as prospects. That's obviously pretty much understood when the players in question are still in high school.
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I think we all just need to do ourselves a favor and start ignoring ph9 in this thread. The last couple of pages are filled with everyone arguing against everything he says.
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ACC looks so up and down.. thank you Michigan for losing.
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And how many players from those teams are on this years team? You continue to reference an irrelevant article talking about past teams, diverting from the fact that your own comments were in reference to this years team imploding due to the Smith and Lamb transfers. Keep trolling man...
Ben Howland is still the coach there. He's still a dick; he's not changing his ways.
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New AP rankings.

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Minnesota stays in the top 10. Best two-loss team in the country. Word.
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According to Self it's an ankle sprain and is day-to-day.WHEW!!
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I think we all just need to do ourselves a favor and start ignoring ph9 in this thread. The last couple of pages are filled with everyone arguing against everything he says.
You've just covertly admitted that you cannot argue your point.
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I'm not sure what to make of Hoosiers so far this season.

Their whole pre-season hype was predicated on a very good recruiting class providing depth for a very good returning group of players.

The upperclassmen have been playing excellent, but the freshmen haven't really impressed so far.

Yogi Ferrell is contributing as a playmaker, but even he has struggled with his shot (better lately though). While Hollowell, Perea and Jurkin still look raw.

The good news is Oladipo, Sheehey and Abell are significantly better this year.

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You've just covertly admitted that you cannot argue your point.
No, when your final argument comes down to "your coach is a dick", I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who has failed to put together a sound argument. There is no reason for me to waste my time responding to things like that.

I'm really trying to figure out what your deal is with Howland. To be honest with you I'm not even a huge Howland fan, but your ridiculous arguments against the program have even me defending him. I do appreciate him for the success he has brought UCLA in the past, but I wouldn't be that surprised or saddened if he gets canned after this year. But damn...he must have really done something terrible to you personally in order to cause your vendetta against him.

Then again you also have that vendetta against teams with talented, young players. Maybe its just you?
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I'm not sure what to make of Hoosiers so far this season.

Their whole pre-season hype was predicated on a very good recruiting class providing depth for a very good returning group of players.

The upperclassmen have been playing excellent, but the freshmen haven't really impressed so far.

Yogi Ferrell is contributing as a playmaker, but even he has struggled with his shot (better lately though). While Hollowell, Perea and Jurkin still look raw.

The good news is Oladipo, Sheehey and Abell are significantly better this year.
I think Indiana is going to win the championship. I've been impressed with what I've seen from them.
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No, when your final argument comes down to "your coach is a dick", I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who has failed to put together a sound argument. There is no reason for me to waste my time responding to things like that.

I'm really trying to figure out what your deal is with Howland. To be honest with you I'm not even a huge Howland fan, but your ridiculous arguments against the program have even me defending him. I do appreciate him for the success he has brought UCLA in the past, but I wouldn't be that surprised or saddened if he gets canned after this year. But damn...he must have really done something terrible to you personally in order to cause your vendetta against him.

Then again you also have that vendetta against teams with talented, young players. Maybe its just you?
The current rules are allowing people like John Calipari to make a joke out of college basketball. I'm glad that Kentucky isn't doing well this season. They really need to change the rules. Either come out of high school, or go to college for two years.

Also, Howland could give a sh*t less about his players. He makes them schedule a meeting just to talk with him. He treats the star players differently than the other players. He allowed Reeves Nelson to bully people to the point that they wanted out. Gregg Poppovich treats all of the players the same.

I'm a UNLV fan, and Dave Rice has an open door policy. That's how it should be.

Finally, you're not willing to admit how f*cked up UCLA is as a program right now. It's not like the story relies on one person. Many people were interviewed to write that story. Your UCLA only had a top two recruiting class because they're UCLA. If it was a mid-major school, they'd be struggling mightily right now.
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I'm not sure what to make of Hoosiers so far this season.

Their whole pre-season hype was predicated on a very good recruiting class providing depth for a very good returning group of players.

The upperclassmen have been playing excellent, but the freshmen haven't really impressed so far.

Yogi Ferrell is contributing as a playmaker, but even he has struggled with his shot (better lately though). While Hollowell, Perea and Jurkin still look raw.

The good news is Oladipo, Sheehey and Abell are significantly better this year.
I agree on all accounts. Oladipo's improvement has been excellent. In addition to developing a solid jumper he has become the best perimeter defender in the B1G.

Zeller hasn't been dominant like I thought he would be. Not knocking him, I like him as a player and person (met him along with several other IU players). But his lack of rebounding concerns me for tournament play. I could definitely see them being upset in an earlier round by a team with strength and size.

They have immense potential, an excellent blend of experience and young talent, rock solid shooting and good defense. Not too many holes when you think about it. But Zeller being too unselfish a lot and lack of board crashing is an issue, imo

And by the way pierce2, you have made nothing but excellent points and arguments and it's simply not reasonating with him. I think you're wasting your time.
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I agree on all accounts. Oladipo's improvement has been excellent. In addition to developing a solid jumper he has become the best perimeter defender in the B1G.

Zeller hasn't been dominant like I thought he would be. Not knocking him, I like him as a player and person (met him along with several other IU players). But his lack of rebounding concerns me for tournament play. I could definitely see them being upset in an earlier round by a team with strength and size.

They have immense potential, an excellent blend of experience and young talent, rock solid shooting and good defense. Not too many holes when you think about it. But Zeller being too unselfish a lot and lack of board crashing is an issue, imo

And by the way pierce2, you have made nothing but excellent points and arguments and it's simply not reasonating with him. I think you're wasting your time.
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The current rules are allowing people like John Calipari to make a joke out of college basketball. I'm glad that Kentucky isn't doing well this season. They really need to change the rules. Either come out of high school, or go to college for two years.

Also, Howland could give a sh*t less about his players. He makes them schedule a meeting just to talk with him. He treats the star players differently than the other players. He allowed Reeves Nelson to bully people to the point that they wanted out. Gregg Poppovich treats all of the players the same.

I'm a UNLV fan, and Dave Rice has an open door policy. That's how it should be.

Finally, you're not willing to admit how f*cked up UCLA is as a program right now. It's not like the story relies on one person. Many people were interviewed to write that story. Your UCLA only had a top two recruiting class because they're UCLA. If it was a mid-major school, they'd be struggling mightily right now.
I don't even like Howland all that much, but damn he really grinds your gears doesn't he?
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