New York Giants Discussion

[bigbluedefense]

I could imagine the warroom in Carolina too. They were like

"Well we like both of the Giants candidates, but how do we know which one to choose?"

"Ross is black sir"

"Hmmm. I think we'll go with Gettleman"

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I could imagine the warroom in Carolina too. They were like

"Well we like both of the Giants candidates, but how do we know which one to choose?"

"Ross is black sir"

"Hmmm. I think we'll go with Gettleman"

Normally I'd agree but since Accorsi was running the search I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one since he hired Reese.

[bigbluedefense]

I know. I was just being humorous.

[CollegeFan]

Originally Posted by Forenci

Haha, well that's good news. Fortunately for us the Jets are a terrible organization who could have had Ross if they got rid of their fool of a head coach.

Ya i agree. Ross would've been the Giants loss and the Jets gain

[Giantsfan1080]

I know you were but the sad thing is that I'm sure their has been conversations like that in NFL offices.

I know I was shocked when I found out Reese and Ross were black. I had no idea that was the case when Accorsi announced his retirement.

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I know you were but the sad thing is that I'm sure their has been conversations like that in NFL offices.

I know I was shocked when I found out Reese and Ross were black. I had no idea that was the case when Accorsi announced his retirement.

Yeah, I was shocked as well. It's not like they have the stereotypical black names, like Jaquain or Jamarcus. I mean, Jerry Reese sounds like an old white dude, and Marc Ross sounds like a sort of *** waiter at a high-end restaurant, lol.

But I'm kind of glad they are black. It shows progress in the world, and it shows that the Giants as an organization will get the best guy for the job, no matter their ethnicity.

[bigbluedefense]

Bob Griffin and the spread option is in Washington.

Now we have Chip Kelly in Philadelphia.

If there ever was a time to switch up from our philosophy and get fast linebackers who can cover the middle of the field, now is the time to do it. If we continue to put slow linebackers in our defense and just rely on the DL and secondary to make things happen, we're in for a world of hurt in our own division.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

As a going away present to us since he'll definitely get a job next year, Ross should take this draft and get us a starter with every pick including multiple Pro Bowlers and even 1 HOF. It's the least he can do for us.

And if he doesn't get a GM job after doing that, he'll just give up and stay JR's lifelong second hand.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Bob Griffin and the spread option is in Washington.

Now we have Chip Kelly in Philadelphia.

If there ever was a time to switch up from our philosophy and get fast linebackers who can cover the middle of the field, now is the time to do it. If we continue to put slow linebackers in our defense and just rely on the DL and secondary to make things happen, we're in for a world of hurt in our own division.

Yeah I wonder how much this affects what the FO does. Certainly interesting and a new wrinkle.

[Forenci]

Meh, no need to switch our philosophy too much. Get to the QB and defend the pass. That's our bread and butter and will work against any offense.

That said, Fewell will probably play zone all day and we'll get picked apart. Can't do much about that though.

[bigbluedefense]

And that's the problem. You can't be a good zone defense without linebackers. I know you guys want to avoid the linebacker position but we have to start addressing it.

[Forenci]

Well my hope, and perhaps this is foolish, is that we will dump Fewell in the near future. I don't want to draft a bunch of speedy, undersized LB's and then switch defensive coordinators where they are then irrelevant.

Linebacker is a big need, but I'm more interested in addressing the critical positions. We've won two Super Bowls with average to below average LB's. You don't need great LB's to win. If our team had less holes to fill on defense I would be happy to grab a LB early. We don't have that luxury.

[Big_Pete]

It looks like Lovie Smith missed out on a HC job, seems unlikely to take a DC job and wants to be a head coach in 2014 (he is still getting paid from Chicago).

I wonder if Lovie Smith would be interested in a one year assistant Head Coach deal much like Dick Lebeau did in 2003 in Buffalo after getting fired from Cincinnati.

Smith has worked with Fewell in the past and would be of particular help tweaking Fewell's schemes and working on our key areas of need like linebackers. It also would subtley put Fewell on notice that he has to perfom while keeping with the Giants tradition of being patient and loyal to staff.

[Big_Pete]

Originally Posted by Forenci

Well my hope, and perhaps this is foolish, is that we will dump Fewell in the near future. I don't want to draft a bunch of speedy, undersized LB's and then switch defensive coordinators where they are then irrelevant.

Linebacker is a big need, but I'm more interested in addressing the critical positions. We've won two Super Bowls with average to below average LB's. You don't need great LB's to win. If our team had less holes to fill on defense I would be happy to grab a LB early. We don't have that luxury.

I really think we would probably be ok with one good speedy MLB
sure we can look at depth, particularly if great value slipped to us.

I expect we will bring Rivers back cheaply and with Williams and Paysinger we have a decent group of young athletic OLBs.

[bigbluedefense]

Speedy linebackers will always have a place on our defense bc we're sticking with the 4-3 for a long while. As long as JPP is on this team, it will be a 4-3 defense.

So even if Fewell is gone, good linebackers will have a place on this defense. Hell, good linebackers have a place in any system.

Look at guys like Daryl Washington or Bruce Carter. Both guys were thought to be exclusively 4-3 WILLs coming out and they're doing just fine in a 3-4 defense.

The truth is every defense is pretty much a 1 gap defense nowadays, even the 3-4 fronts. So it doesn't make a difference.

[scottyboy]

you know who's a speedy linebacker?

Khaseem Greene.

boom.

[bigbluedefense]

We need a compliment to JWill. Not another version of him.

Ideally I want a Bobby Wagner type of MIKE in round 2 and I'll be a happy camper.

[OSUGiants17]

I want Minter or Brown, but I can't see them being worth 19 or there round 2 which makes me sad.

[Big_Pete]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

We need a compliment to JWill. Not another version of him.

Ideally I want a Bobby Wagner type of MIKE in round 2 and I'll be a happy camper.

Ideally yes MLB is the need, if Greene was the best player available we should consider it, Williams is an RFA after the season I believe and is a position we could upgrade. Either Greene or Williams might be able to flip to SLB in Fewell's system as well.

[Big_Pete]

Originally Posted by OSUGiants17

I want Minter or Brown, but I can't see them being worth 19 or there round 2 which makes me sad.

I think Brown is a chance to be there in the second round.

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Ray horton left the Cardinals after they hired Arians. I want him soo bad. He's an awesome coordinator, and a future HC I think. I know it's not going to happen, but a man can dream.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

YES! No SB for the Falcons! Sorry Smitty, that sucks for you!

[Forenci]

Haha, I hate the 49ers fans but I was rooting for the 9ers because Smith is a douche bag.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Hahaha I hate both teams and in fact all 4 playoff teams left. However, this was an easy game to pick. Always against Coach Smith! This next game will be tough. I hate the Harbaughs, so I think I will go Pats.

Matty Ice was put on Ice in the second half!

[LTgiants]

Can someone explain to me the why Mike Smith is a douche story? Cause I seem to have missed it and have no idea what everyone is talking about.