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Old 01-18-2013, 02:50 PM    (permalink
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Ugh, not you too Scott.

1) The Chiefs aren't letting Branden Albert walk. Not in a year where they're forced to pay out more of their cap. It makes no sense.

2) With Albert locked up there is no place for an OT to play.

3) If you have a QB going 7th overall, he can go 1st overall. The difference is negligible, and I've seen you argue the golden rule of the NFL draft more than one time on these very boards: if you don't have a franchise QB you don't pass on one.

It's just a bad KC pick that makes no sense.
His golden rule is if you dont have a franchise QB you dont pass on one. They're not passing on a franchise QB. They're passing on a QB.
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You are preaching to the choir.

The mocks are not what I would do but what I think will happen.

At this point based on what I've gathered Joeckel is the favorite for the Chiefs.
Well Scott, assuming this is the case, who would the Chiefs draft in round 2 at 34 to play QB?

Maybe Wilson? I like Nassib and Manuel a lot too.
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Well Scott, assuming this is the case, who would the Chiefs draft in round 2 at 34 to play QB?

Maybe Wilson? I like Nassib and Manuel a lot too.
I doubt Wilson lasts to 2nd round
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I doubt Wilson lasts to 2nd round
I don't, unless he resurrects his performance at his workout, I could see him going pretty late in round 2, somewhere in the 50's. This guy is getting way overhyped IMO.
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Shariff Floyd is who Calvin Broaddus loves for the Cowboys.

Is he really a 1st round talent in your opinion?

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The Chiefs will go QB, period. There is no question about it. I don't know for sure which one it will be, but Glennon, Geno or maybe Wilson will be the pick. Geno has all the physical talent and Reid might think he can teach him the rest. He has a lot of Donovan Mcnabb in him. Glennon has a bit of Joe Flacco in him, but maybe better. He had a pretty bad supporting cast that hurt his stats, but he's the real deal. Great arm talent to make all the throws, solid footwork and mechanics and he can really go through read progressions. That's a huge advantage on the rest of the QBs.

The Chiefs haven't taken a QB in the 1st in 30 years, its a passing league, they just hired a pass obsessed coach and they have the #1 pick, a rare opportunity. There is literally 0% chance they don't go QB. If they do, it won't be Joeckel. They don't get any value out of letting Albert walk or enough value out of trading him for say a 1st round pick. He let up 1 sack last year and they have the cap space to keep him. They'd be better off letting Bowe walk if anything.
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Minter would be a nice pick for the Ravens in the first round. I prefer Brown at ILB by a slim margin but I definitely wouldn't be upset if they went with Minter.
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The Chiefs depth at LT will be amazing with Joeckel backing up Albert...
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Fact is Chief fans, right now Scott is making the right pick. Albert isn't under contract at the moment and Joeckel is the best player in the draft.
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I feel certain we will franchise & then sign Albert to long term deal.Plus we drafted Donald Stephenson last year.Fact is I believe Dorsey & Reid are not going to let Albert walk.When you have good players you do NOT let them leave
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I feel certain we will franchise & then sign Albert to long term deal.Plus we drafted Donald Stephenson last year.Fact is I believe Dorsey & Reid are not going to let Albert walk.When you have good players you do NOT let them leave
Right, because good players never leave teams.
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Right, because good players never leave teams.
Smart teams don't let franchise LT's leave I know that for sure.going from Albert to Joeckel is definately NOT an upgrade
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The Chiefs will go QB, period. There is no question about it. I don't know for sure which one it will be, but Glennon, Geno or maybe Wilson will be the pick. Geno has all the physical talent and Reid might think he can teach him the rest. He has a lot of Donovan Mcnabb in him. Glennon has a bit of Joe Flacco in him, but maybe better. He had a pretty bad supporting cast that hurt his stats, but he's the real deal. Great arm talent to make all the throws, solid footwork and mechanics and he can really go through read progressions. That's a huge advantage on the rest of the QBs.

The Chiefs haven't taken a QB in the 1st in 30 years, its a passing league, they just hired a pass obsessed coach and they have the #1 pick, a rare opportunity. There is literally 0% chance they don't go QB. If they do, it won't be Joeckel. They don't get any value out of letting Albert walk or enough value out of trading him for say a 1st round pick. He let up 1 sack last year and they have the cap space to keep him. They'd be better off letting Bowe walk if anything.
See, that's the thing... it's not hard to see that there is a small difference between those guys. ...and one of them may very well be available at their pick in Round 2.

Luke Joeckel definitely won't be there in Round 2.
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Scott in my Mock I put up the other day I got stuck on my Bucs. I was thinking CB, DE, SLB but all were gone like yours. I ended up going with Vaccaro. Taking the best FS over a reach in Banks.
The Bucs are tough and I'm still not crazy about having Johnthan Banks in the Top 15.

Cornerback is by far their top need, but my guess is Plan B would be a defensive lineman.
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I can dig the colts pick. Need to do some research on Cooper. How close is he to chance warmack who i am in love with
Cooper is a notch below Warmack but also a legitimate first round talent.

Different types of players though. Warmack is more powerful while Cooper is more athletic.
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Fact is Chief fans, right now Scott is making the right pick. Albert isn't under contract at the moment and Joeckel is the best player in the draft.
There you have it boys, start mocking a QB to the Ravens.
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Well Scott, assuming this is the case, who would the Chiefs draft in round 2 at 34 to play QB?

Maybe Wilson? I like Nassib and Manuel a lot too.
I would say the three most likely options would be:

Mike Glennon, North Carolina St.
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas
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Shariff Floyd is who Calvin Broaddus loves for the Cowboys.

Is he really a 1st round talent in your opinion?
Yup, I think Floyd is a legit first rounder.

Big, strong, athletic and versatile. That's a pretty good skill-set.
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I was getting bashed a couple of weeks ago for saying the Chiefs would take Joeckel. HA!
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See, that's the thing... it's not hard to see that there is a small difference between those guys. ...and one of them may very well be available at their pick in Round 2.

Luke Joeckel definitely won't be there in Round 2.
But they don't need a LT. They have one that allowed 1 sack on the entire year last year. They have the money and franchise tag to make sure he doesn't leave too.

I highly doubt any of those guys is around in round 2. Jax,Philly,Arizona,Buffalo and potentially others like the Jets and Browns are all looking for QBs.

I think Glennon and Smith are locks to be top 5 picks personally. Wilson has to rebuild his stock a little, but I don't think it'll be an issue. He had the concussion early in the year, lost 3 of his WRs after 2011 and had to play for John L.Smith this year. He runs a pretty pro style offense and has good arm strength,intelligence and accuracy while having a few years experience startin g in the SEC.
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I was getting bashed a couple of weeks ago for saying the Chiefs would take Joeckel. HA!
WE ARE'NT TAKING JOECKEL!!!!!
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The Bucs are tough and I'm still not crazy about having Johnthan Banks in the Top 15.

Cornerback is by far their top need, but my guess is Plan B would be a defensive lineman.
I'm a Banks fan, but I think his stock will depend a lot on his combine performance. He played well this year and has good size and skills, but he has to show he can stay with the best receivers the NFL has to offer. His 3 cone and 40 will be huge. Otherwise he may be facing a move to S
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Smart teams don't let franchise LT's leave I know that for sure.going from Albert to Joeckel is definately NOT an upgrade
Sure it is. Joeckel will likely be better than Albert.
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Scott, you've been outspoken about waiting until round 2 to take a QB being a mistake, and I agree. However, with only two QB's going round one in your mock and obviously more than two needing a new QB it's clear you think a few teams will do that this year. With the group of QB's this draft, do you think it's as much a mistake as usual? What teams do you think are likely to target QB's in the second stanza?
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Sure it is. Joeckel will likely be better than Albert.
Great! He can protect the blind side of the QB they don't have.
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