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Old 01-05-2013, 06:18 AM    (permalink
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Considering where injured backs have went in the past (1st for McGahee, 3rd for Gore) and considering how devalued RBs are now, and that Lattimore isn't just injured, he was gruesomely injured and there's a very good shot he doesn't recover fully, and he isn't just injured, he's injury prone, I wouldn't be surprised if he's got the major medical red flags and he is either 6th round or possibly all the way to undrafted. Every year a pretty good prospect completely drops out of the draft due to medical issues (last year it was Chris Polk).
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he's injury prone
I don't really think there's such a thing as "injury prone."

I mean, take every single player in the NFL, college, high school, pee-wee, or whatever, if they had a guy hit him in the side of the knee like Lattimore did last season, they would get their knee shredded. Knees simply aren't designed to take that sort of hit.

He might be unlucky but "prone to having your ACLs explode" isn't really a thing. Knee ligaments aren't designed to spontaneously tear, it takes an external force to make that happen.
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I don't really think there's such a thing as "injury prone."

I mean, take every single player in the NFL, college, high school, pee-wee, or whatever, if they had a guy hit him in the side of the knee like Lattimore did last season, they would get their knee shredded. Knees simply aren't designed to take that sort of hit.

He might be unlucky but "prone to having your ACLs explode" isn't really a thing. Knee ligaments aren't designed to spontaneously tear, it takes an external force to make that happen.
It's arguable that taller RBs (like McFadden, Lattimore, etc) are more 'prone' to those types of injuries though.
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I don't really think there's such a thing as "injury prone."

I mean, take every single player in the NFL, college, high school, pee-wee, or whatever, if they had a guy hit him in the side of the knee like Lattimore did last season, they would get their knee shredded. Knees simply aren't designed to take that sort of hit.

He might be unlucky but "prone to having your ACLs explode" isn't really a thing. Knee ligaments aren't designed to spontaneously tear, it takes an external force to make that happen.
Call it whatever you want. Two ACL tears in 3 seasons is not encouraging to scouts. Sometimes it has to do with running style, bad genes, anything really. Some guys go their whole careers without much in the way of major injuries (E. Smith, S. Jackson, E. Dickerson, W. Payton, etc) and then there are others that can never stay healthy.
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It's arguable that taller RBs (like McFadden, Lattimore, etc) are more 'prone' to those types of injuries though.
Yet Steven Jackson and Eric Dickerson never suffered a major leg injury. I think it just depends entirely on the individual.
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It's arguable that taller RBs (like McFadden, Lattimore, etc) are more 'prone' to those types of injuries though.
They are more likely to be injured. More area to hit. The more compact you are, the smaller the area that can get hit. When you are 5-9, 215, you are more solidly built and you can get smaller at the point of contact, than a guy that is 6-2, 215 like McFadden They have skinny legs and can't get down as low when the defenders come at them. The guys built like bowling balls are less likely to take big shots to their knees.
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Yet Steven Jackson and Eric Dickerson never suffered a major leg injury. I think it just depends entirely on the individual.
yeah but it depends on the build of the person.

Those two are built like tree trunks.
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Yeah Eddie George never missed a game in his Titans career and he was really big. I think some of it is just bad luck. Maybe they should stop teaching players to tackle by diving at a players knee and instead wrap up and drive them to the ground.
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Dr. James Andrews says his recovery is nothing short of miraculous. So here's to hoping that Marcus gets drafted and has a great career.
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Dr. James Andrews says his recovery is nothing short of miraculous. So here's to hoping that Marcus gets drafted and has a great career.
You take a back like him in the 5th, 6th or 7th round and sit on him for a year.
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Yeah Eddie George never missed a game in his Titans career and he was really big. I think some of it is just bad luck. Maybe they should stop teaching players to tackle by diving at a players knee and instead wrap up and drive them to the ground.
I tend to agree, sometimes, it is just bad luck but the fact remains that he has been seriously injureds twice and likely won't get drafted anywhere near the top half of the draft.
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Lattimore and his doctor have stated that his recovery is going to "shock the world" at the Combine. He's already ready to start running, beginning Monday.

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in recent years we've seen:

-Adrian Peterson come back better from what would have been a career ending injury in the past.

-Peyton Manning go to Germany for treatments on his 4x surgically repaired neck.

-Ray Lewis play his 17th season at inside linebacker (and winning a super Bowl).

we are in a brave new world folks. With HGH, deer antlers and who know what else, can't bet against Lattimore or any other injured star player. in 2013, if a player has the money, he can recapture his health.
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http://www.cbssports.com/general/blo...ill-be-shocked
everyone talks about how mcgahees agent was so wonderful at getting him drafted in the first, but this guys is doing work too
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He might be unlucky but "prone to having your ACLs explode" isn't really a thing. Knee ligaments aren't designed to spontaneously tear, it takes an external force to make that happen.
This is somewhat false. They've done studies and certain people are more likely to tear ACLs than others, it has to do with how the knee ligaments are. I forget exactly what it was, as it was several years ago I read the study but most people that tear ACLs more than once have their ACLs a different shape or bend or something. Of course, other people tear ACLs also, and It could be possible for someone to tear theirs twice without having the kind more susceptible to it
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You're right about this. Although I'd have to agree that he will make an impact in 2013. He may even slip into the 2nd round. The talent is definitely there so as long as he checks out medically, there's no reason not to take a chance if the need is there.
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in recent years we've seen:

-Adrian Peterson come back better from what would have been a career ending injury in the past.

-Peyton Manning go to Germany for treatments on his 4x surgically repaired neck.

-Ray Lewis play his 17th season at inside linebacker (and winning a super Bowl).

we are in a brave new world folks. With HGH, deer antlers and who know what else, can't bet against Lattimore or any other injured star player. in 2013, if a player has the money, he can recapture his health.
+1.

If Lattimore runs at the combine and posts a time better than 4.65, I'm going to be highly skeptical of what methods he used to rehab from his injury.

I understand why someone would pursue pharmaceutical options to prepare themselves for the NFL and come back from a devastating injury, but I wish the media would stop making these guys seem like they're athletic mutants.
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Yeah, you'd have to braindead to not recognize what's going on. And really, why shouldn't they be using new supplements and experimental treatments to recover faster? It's their careers that are on the line.
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in recent years we've seen:

-Adrian Peterson come back better from what would have been a career ending injury in the past.

-Peyton Manning go to Germany for treatments on his 4x surgically repaired neck.

-Ray Lewis play his 17th season at inside linebacker (and winning a super Bowl).

we are in a brave new world folks. With HGH, deer antlers and who know what else, can't bet against Lattimore or any other injured star player. in 2013, if a player has the money, he can recapture his health.
Well said man.

And I have no problems with it. Almost all of the NFL is juiced up in some sort of way. The human species didn't explode in size over the past 30 years.
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For some reason it hardly bothers me knowing NFL players use PEDs, but it pisses me off to no end knowing MLB players are on the gear.
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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
+1.

If Lattimore runs at the combine and posts a time better than 4.65, I'm going to be highly skeptical of what methods he used to rehab from his injury.

I understand why someone would pursue pharmaceutical options to prepare themselves for the NFL and come back from a devastating injury, but I wish the media would stop making these guys seem like they're athletic mutants.
You misinterpreted what Lattimore said about running. He is not running at the Combine. He's running in rehab, something he hasn't done since the surgery. He is no shape to run at the Combine. The "shock" is going to come from team's medical services examining him, not any participation in drills.
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