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Old 02-03-2013, 02:29 PM    (permalink
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He got blown by pretty quick after his first couple of years on defense, where he was much better. Quick hands yes, staying in front his man no.
well obviously he wasn't incredible at staying in front of his man or else he'd be seen as one of the best defenders evar. quickness usually declines after your first few years, so there's that. I'm not saying he was some hall of fame defender, but he used his quickness REALLY well.

You're under-rating the hell outta AI as a whole.
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Will you stop it with your ********. He shot a lot bc his teammates sucked dick. Eric ******* Snow was their point guard. Stop it.

I can't wait for all your ****** teams to suck in the playoffs.
The Nuggets and 76ers both got better the year of/year after they traded Iverson. Nugs actually got into the Eastern Conference finals with Billups, for reference sake. And again, his teammates were excellent rebounders and defenders. But the "OH THEY COULDNT SCORE THEY SUCKED" argument sure does stand up.

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They're a very useful tool and just saying pointless stupid **** to dismiss them doesn't mean anything.
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The Nuggets and 76ers both got better the year of/year after they traded Iverson. Nugs actually got into the Eastern Conference finals with Billups, for reference sake. And again, his teammates were excellent rebounders and defenders. But the "OH THEY COULDNT SCORE THEY SUCKED" argument sure does stand up.



They're a very useful tool and just saying pointless stupid **** to dismiss them doesn't mean anything.
You keep ignoring our question. Who else was capable of taking pressure off him offensively? Who else was able to create their own shot? Who was their secondary scorer?

Quick. Look it up on your spreadsheet. Then get back to me.
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Raptors are waaaaay better off with Rudy *** than we were with Jose and Ed. Up yours Brodeur.
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This Andre Drummond character is really efficient. 9 points on 10 shots is amazing.
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You keep ignoring our question. Who else was capable of taking pressure off him offensively? Who else was able to create their own shot? Who was their secondary scorer?

Quick. Look it up on your spreadsheet. Then get back to me.
Oh look at you, you sound like an old ass sportswriter. "LOOK IT UP ON YOUR SPREADSHEET". I forgot what a mega jock you were there BBD. And they sucked offensively regardless, but McKie/Jumaine Jones were serviceable enough. Point being, just because the weapons around you aren't completely effective scorers (although they were great in other areas), that doesn't excuse hideous efficiency. MJ had dogshit around him early in his career and he wouldn't dream of putting up those awful shooting numbers AI did.

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He's having a good game, whoopieeeee. He's still making over $35 million for the next two years to be someone that isn't good enough to be an all star.
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This Andre Drummond character is really efficient. 9 points on 10 shots is amazing.
11 rebounds with 4 blocks and 2 steals in 22 minutes. If you'd pay any attention to what I'd say, you'd realize I only attack efficiency when they have no secondary skills.
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Oh look at you, you sound like an old ass sportswriter. "LOOK IT UP ON YOUR SPREADSHEET". I forgot what a mega jock you were there BBD. And they sucked offensively regardless, but McKie/Jumaine Jones were serviceable enough. Point being, just because the weapons around you aren't completely effective scorers (although they were great in other areas), that doesn't excuse hideous efficiency. MJ had dogshit around him early in his career and he wouldn't dream of putting up those awful shooting numbers AI did.



He's having a good game, whoopieeeee. He's still making over $35 million for the next two years to be someone that isn't good enough to be an all star.
The Raptors of a week ago wouldn't have blown out the Clippers (without Paul but still) and play the Heat this tight in back to back games.
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Man that 1 assist sure shows a lot of court vision prowess.
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Man that 1 assist sure shows a lot of court vision prowess.
11 rebounds in 22 minutes. You hear me ***** about Reggie Evans even though his efficiency blows and he can't pass? That's what I thought. Awesome rebounding in limited minutes with an added bonus of blocked shots is perfectly fine for me. Keep pretending that Cousins ceiling is half of Drummond's.
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This is another Barry/Emmitt debate, isn't it? The one were a whole side will dispute both supporting casts and try to put both players in a vaccuum?

As far as AI/T-Mac goes, Who was the better leader of the two?

I'd go with AI. No contest.
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Not really, anyone who thinks Emmitt is better than Barry is an idiot.
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Oh look at you, you sound like an old ass sportswriter. "LOOK IT UP ON YOUR SPREADSHEET". I forgot what a mega jock you were there BBD. And they sucked offensively regardless, but McKie/Jumaine Jones were serviceable enough. Point being, just because the weapons around you aren't completely effective scorers (although they were great in other areas), that doesn't excuse hideous efficiency. MJ had dogshit around him early in his career and he wouldn't dream of putting up those awful shooting numbers AI did.
It's a little ridiculous to say "MJ did it so Iverson should have." There's a reason he's Michael Jordan, he could do things like that, things which other allstar caliber players could only dream about doing. And Iverson's efficiency was never great, or ever good but that's also going to happen when he has that high of a usage rate on a team devoid of other offensive threats/ball handlers. I also think you're giving him too much flack for his turnovers. When you handle the ball as much as Iverson did you're going to turn it over, and even still he did it at a lower rate than Chris Paul does, and it's not like Paul has a reputation for being turnover prone.

Iverson wasn't a perfect player, but he was damn good. His biggest flaw was probably that he was too stubborn (or unable) to adjust his playing style when he was actually paired with other scoring threats.
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Not really, anyone who thinks Emmitt is better than Barry is an idiot.
This. At least in this one can make an argument for either guy. Anyone arguing for Emmitt probably isn't allowed to use sharp objects.

AI/T-Mac is nowhere near that argument.
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It's a little ridiculous to say "MJ did it so Iverson should have." There's a reason he's Michael Jordan, he could do things like that, things which other allstar caliber players could only dream about doing. And Iverson's efficiency was never great, or ever good but that's also going to happen when he has that high of a usage rate on a team devoid of other offensive threats/ball handlers. I also think you're giving him too much flack for his turnovers. When you handle the ball as much as Iverson did you're going to turn it over, and even still he did it at a lower rate than Chris Paul does, and it's not like Paul has a reputation for being turnover prone.

Iverson wasn't a perfect player, but he was damn good. His biggest flaw was probably that he was too stubborn (or unable) to adjust his playing style when he was actually paired with other scoring threats.
Iverson career TO per game: 3.6
Paul's career high TO per game in a season: 3.0

Yeah.......no. But the point is that the truly great "scorers" can score with efficiency no matter what the situation is, and AI never did that. I mean, anyone on that team could have scored 33 points on 30 shots in the 2001 playoffs.
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Guys, he thinks ZBo is better than Melo. Don't waste your breathe arguing.
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Still a similar debate. Routinely plagued by scathing debates about who had the better supporters around them or who had the best system tailored to their talents.

As far as the supporting casts go, both were flawed;

-Both sides lacked that good 2nd banana for a scorer (T-Mac TECHNICALLY had one in Grant Hill, but he was a walking injury at that point so he doesn't count).
-During his run to the Finals AI lacked anything resembling a perimeter shooter to take the load off in that area (Aaron McKie caught on fire during the playoffs but was mediocre in the regular season). In fact, in just about every relevant season AI had where he averaged less than 4 3-point shots a game, he had someone who was a perimeter specialist.
-T-Mac meanwhile had those perimeter players and more (Mike Miller, Pat Garrity, Darrell Armstrong on occasion) but totally lacked anything resembling frontcourt talent (his best player on that end before going to Houston? Bo Outlaw).
-AIs cast was built a bit better for sure, the frontcourt was designed to doggedly rebound his misses and defend the interior. And his backcourt mate (McKie or Eric Snow) contributed by being caretakers with the ball and covering the opposing 2-Guard (so AI wouldn't be saddled with the PG tasks nor be exposed even worse on the defensive end). This helped, but not by much- I would argue that nobody else could make their own shots on this team, not even at range. So it's a bunch of spot shooters and post players without the flexibility of range to take pressure off your only 'creator', no matter how much of a chucker he really is.
-As for T-Mac? The team really only lacked a center (Outlaw was quite serviceable as a dirty worker a la Horace Grant) and otherwise had the offensive weapons which compensated for T-Mac's shaky versatility (he had three-point range but wasn't a dead-eye shooter, and actually made his overall game suffer when he started to chuck it from the perimeter like AI did).
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You argued earlier that Melo was the MVP and Durant wasn't, so I think you're pretty ******* stupid here as well but that's not news. You don't argue by watching games or looking at stats, you argue with conjecture and stupidity.
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You argued earlier that Melo was the MVP and Durant wasn't, so I think you're pretty ******* stupid here as well but that's not news. You don't argue by watching games or looking at stats, you argue with conjecture and stupidity.
I never said Durant wasn't a candidate. I said Melo is. Then you being an efficiency ***** scoffed at the idea.
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You said Melo was THE MVP at one point, before multiple people called you out on it and you changed your mind. And he isn't a candidate.
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Iverson career TO per game: 3.6
Paul's career high TO per game in a season: 3.0

Yeah.......no. But the point is that the truly great "scorers" can score with efficiency no matter what the situation is, and AI never did that. I mean, anyone on that team could have scored 33 points on 30 shots in the 2001 playoffs.
I'm basing that more off of turnover percentage than per game totals, since Iverson in his prime played more minutes and had an even higher usage rate than Paul.

And you're really over-exaggerating if you think anyone on that team could have done what Iverson was doing in that playoff run. It takes a damn near inhuman level of endurance to play 46 minutes and shoot 30 times per game (plus getting to the free throw line 9.5 times per game) for 22 playoff games. And Larry Brown isn't an idiot, he wouldn't model the teams offense around Iverson shooting that often if it wasn't their best option. The other players on that team were not threats, at all, to score. They didn't even have any really good spot-up shooters.
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Yeah.......no. But the point is that the truly great "scorers" can score with efficiency no matter what the situation is, and AI never did that. I mean, anyone on that team could have scored 33 points on 30 shots in the 2001 playoffs.

Get the **** out of here with the oversimplification. If Eric Snow had the entire defense set on stopping him like they did with Iverson, it would have taken him 3545645 shots to score 33 points.
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I'm basing that more off of turnover percentage than per game totals, since Iverson in his prime played more minutes and had an even higher usage rate than Paul.

And you're really over-exaggerating if you think anyone on that team could have done what Iverson was doing in that playoff run. It takes a damn near inhuman level of endurance to play 46 minutes and shoot 30 times per game (plus getting to the free throw line 9.5 times per game) for 22 playoff games. And Larry Brown isn't an idiot, he wouldn't model the teams offense around Iverson shooting that often if it wasn't their best option. The other players on that team were not threats, at all, to score. They didn't even have any really good spot-up shooters.
The reason AI had a higher usage rate than Paul is that Paul is a much, much better player than AI was at the time.

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I see that's the basis of any ending argument you would have against me, no surprise there.

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Get the **** out of here with the oversimplification. If Eric Snow had the entire defense set on stopping him like they did with Iverson, it would have taken him 3545645 shots to score 33 points.
So Eric Snow was a bad offensive player when it comes to scoring, doesn't make AI great because he managed to score 33 points on 30 shots.
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