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Old 02-04-2013, 11:24 AM    (permalink
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The transition back to an odd front is not as bad as it looks. We're 2 deep along the front line with most of our DT/DEs able to play 34 DE. Sheard is more a hybrid DE then true LE. Gocong, who was a solid LILB, should return. DQ is solid in either front. Rookie JMJ played in a 34 at Nevada and LB Craig Robertson, our breakout 2nd yr guy, is a very good blitzer-downfield attacker. It's the best thing he did at North Texas.

Jones is the obvious choice but I have my doubts Lombardi and Banner would want to risk it. It's more a question of his longevity then whether or not he could make an instant impact.
Thanks for the perspective, I appreciate it. I was under the impression that the switch to the 3-4 would be possible but not as smooth as it could be with this information. I do think they were a couple players away from having a dominate 4-3. Taylor and Rubin I thought could make the transition, but I was not so sure about the LB's, although I do think DQ fits, and was unaware of Robertson. Do you see Sheard as a L. Woodley type?
Jones medical evaluation is something I would love to see. As for longevity, how long would make the pick worth it? Georgia type production for 4-7 years? I get the risk with him but what about the reward?
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Great job with the Rams draft. On my personal board I have the Rams going offense/defense in the first round, but after watching the playoffs this year I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Fish and Co don't just build the offense and give Brads all the help he needs.

While it is true Fish has never taken an OL in the first round he also has never had TWO first round picks. So this could easily be the year.

The Rams GM has been saying that he is looking for playmakers in this draft and I think your mock accomplishes just that.

Appreciate all or your hard work....
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I really like your reasoning. You are absolutely right. Antoine Bethea isn't as good as he used to be for whatever reason and Zbikowski is garbage.

With all of that being said I would much rather see Xavier Rhodes be drafted there. He is sort of my prospect crush though.
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I don't like Dion Jordan, but the pick makes sense.
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I'll take that Miami draft!
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I always love your insights, so thanks for taking the time to spell it out.

But why don't you think Te'o fits with the Saints, especially since he played in a 3-4 in Notre Dame?
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Yup a solid draft for sf.
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49ers only have 1 FA D-lineman. Pretty good SF draft.
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If Jones checks out medically, he needs to be a Raider.
It would make sense in the Al Davis athlete mold, but how does he fit in what they currently do?
Von Miller role?
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Dig that Titans draft! Lots of other ways you could go with that 2nd RD'er, but Warford is a monster.
I have been up on Ansah but am starting to question his senior bowl performance as I am seeing that he did not do anything special against tackles, it mostly came against TE's or air. I do like his raw ability and athleticism, coupled with his extremely high ceiling still though. Almost went Warmack in the first, but had no hesitation with Warford in the 2nd, I agree a monster, and a steal in the 2nd round IMO. Thanks for the feedback :)
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I would like the Bengals to take a WR high but I think they like Sanu and Jones enough that they won't draft a WR high.
I thought about that, and personally I like Sanu alot, particularly out of the slot, similar to role the Bills are trying to get Stevie Johnson, and Jones in slot as well. Although I do think either one could end up as a solid #2. One the flip side, I see Patterson as being a #1 and superb value at that point, worthy of the pick. Would they do it? I dont know, but I would and have a ridiculous receiving core.
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certainly not my ideal Giants draft, but I like it and given the remaining players you have when we pick its perfect. Nice job
Thank you, I appreciate it. I had similar thoughts on it for the Giants and despite it not being "ideal", I ended up really liking it as it ended up being.
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Alright Jets draft. Not sure of Mingo in the top 10....would prefer to trade down a few spots and nab him. Fluker is iffy with me...we have a need at RT(Guard if he can play it) but I am not sure about the prospect himself.

Draft won't wow me but you hit on needs.
I think I would not risk moving down in this situation myself. I am a huge L.S.U. fan who thinks he will be a much better pro in the right system (3-4) than college player in the wrong (4-3) system. Alot of mocks I am seeing have him going top 5, so I think if he's there they nab him and dont mess around in that regard.
As for Fluker, I think he can play RT and I see nothing that makes me think he could not slip inside to guard if needed (RG or LG). I thought his value at that pick was very good. As far as him as a person, I dont recall hearing any character issues with him.
I liked the need/value match myself and would agree that there is a limited wow factor.
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Excellent Cowboys mock. Addressed the line on both sides of the ball.
Thank you, I thought Cooper would enhance the offensive line, and Hankins is a guy I am down on, but has the talent to be a steal, and helps the transition back to the 4-3.
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if we give up 17, id be furious if they didnt get the cards first rounder next year ...they are moving up to get their QB, their 2nd rounder this year and first rounder next year would be what id want in compensation

I love lacy

The next pick sucks though, id be fearful of him being another flop like worilds or bruce davis...both were the exact same type of player, id prefer matt elam, datone jones, barrett jones, or kevin minter...im almost certain it would be elam or minter

im not a fan of trading down though..hardly ever, so id like a dazzling deal that would give the steelers 2 first rounders next year and a potential top 10 pick
I thought they exceeded the value of the trade, which usually is more like a 2and 3, which they got and an extra 2, but I can understand the frustration.
I like him too.
I understand where you are coming from with the Lemonier concern, but think he is better than Worilds hands down, and much better of a prospect than Davis. I did almost go with Minter, although I thought they need more of a thumper, and I dont see Minter being that guy, he plays much better free, than shedding blocks and making a play, and saw the future of the pass rush being more of a concern.
The Cardinals I dont think make the deal if it costs them a first next year with the questions about this years QB's, althought I think if Geno or Glennon falls that far they might consider it...
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Idk if barkley is a guy they consider their franchise QB, they should offer up a 1st. the browns did it for quinn, hell the broncos traded a future first to draft alphonso smith in the second and the panthers did the same to draft everette brown
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49ers need help in the secondary they do not need to use the pick on the defensive line.
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Bummed that the wr crop thins out right before the Vikes' pick, but both rounds address areas of need.

+rep for the extensive write ups
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I don't particularly want a safety in the 1st but you make a good case for it. Zbikowski was the biggest fraud of the last offseason. All the talk was about how tough he was, how he was fundamentally sound and would shore up a bad SS position. He is terrible. There is nothing he does well. I was especially impressed with your take on Bethea, it shows you actually did watch and take note of some Colts games. He had a bad year. He hasn't had an INT since 2010, and hasn't had a multi-INT season since 2009. He just doesn't make plays on the ball anymore, and this year he even stopped taking good angles and tackling well, which he always has in the past. I am concerned about him.

Overall, I don't like the pick, but I can't argue against it. Very good analysis.
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Great job with the Rams draft. On my personal board I have the Rams going offense/defense in the first round, but after watching the playoffs this year I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Fish and Co don't just build the offense and give Brads all the help he needs.

While it is true Fish has never taken an OL in the first round he also has never had TWO first round picks. So this could easily be the year.

The Rams GM has been saying that he is looking for playmakers in this draft and I think your mock accomplishes just that.

Appreciate all or your hard work....
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Thank you, I appreciate it, I tried to improve upon my last mock for the Rams.
I have thought for a while that is what they should do in regard to building the offense. I just see a similar situation with the Rams that I see with the Jets; draft a QB then refuse (in the Jets situation IMO, not so much for the Rams) to build around him, and rather focus on the defense. I prefer the Peyton Manning model more myself.
Personally I would consider drafting 2 olinemen if the value fit myself, but with Fishers history and having 2 picks in the first, I think 1 might be reasonable.
I thought I read about Snead saying something about playmakers which made the Hopkins and Reid picks easy, beside the need. Even though offensive linemen are not considered playmakers, I think they are the foundation of any play offensively and in being so are playmakers. Regardless, I agree, this draft helps the Rams improve in this department.
Thanks for the feed back, I appreciate it :)
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I really like your reasoning. You are absolutely right. Antoine Bethea isn't as good as he used to be for whatever reason and Zbikowski is garbage.

With all of that being said I would much rather see Xavier Rhodes be drafted there. He is sort of my prospect crush though.
I can respect that, I did have Rhodes and Trufant in serious consideration with that pick, but went with the versatility of Vaccaro. I do have Rhodes and now Trufant rated higher, and would not flinch if they went that direction should either be there. I am starting to liken Trufant to Revis and he is flying up my board. If Trufant ends up being a Revis like player heading into the draft and is available (today I dont see it, but...) would you take him over Rhodes? In the end, I thought FS/SS was a big enough need to trump the value at CB, so I went with Vaccaro.
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I don't like Dion Jordan, but the pick makes sense.
Thank you, Buffalo has my heart as a fan, but the Saints are a team I root for, and I regard as my 2nd team. My wife thinks its the Skins :/ but its not. Regardless, I am not a big Jordan fan either, I see the athleticism and coverage skills, as well as potential, but think he is a pass rushing project in the NFL. With the board falling like it did, he made sense to me, and with a switch to the 3-4, the saints IMO need to draft a minimal of 2 OLB's early to make the transiton viable. I have them taking Chase Thomas in the 3rd, in the 3rd round addition I am working on. Thoughts?
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I like it for them too :( Working on the 3rd round now, any thoughts on needs or value for that pick?
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