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02-04-2013, 12:13 PM
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Basically Alex Smith would have got them there too.
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No, Alex Smith, even at his best, is a glorified care-taker. The 49ers have looked like a completely different team under CK. His ability to fire the ball downfield with accuracy and zip have given a group of receivers a chance to make the best use of their athletic talents. Look at Michael Crabtree. Under Smith he looked like a plodding WR that couldn't gain separation, with CK as his QB he was repeatedly hit in stride and validates his high selection with his great hands and physical running after the catch. Under Smith he was an afterthought.
There is no chance Smith leads the team to a comeback against the Falcons and even less chance he rallies the team and nearly wins it against the Ravens. Smith was baffled and confounded by the Vikings earlier in the year, just imagine what the Ravens and Falcons would have done to him on the much larger stage.
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02-04-2013, 12:20 PM
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I think it will prove to be a fad, RG111 is already injured and not likey to be able to plant his throwing foot equally well upon his return. Teams will start to go after Kaepernick and Wilson and try to damage their legs ASAP. How long will their careers last, not very long I think?
The NFL fact has always been, run your QB at your own risk, it is quite another to put your QB at risk quite a bit in a game and I just don't see them surviving very long. A couple of crippling injuries, and nobody will want to try it again.
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Neither of RGIII's injuries occurred during a read option play.
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02-04-2013, 12:22 PM
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Unfortunately, like RG111, they are going to take some real hits sooner or later and the injuries will follow. Defenses will catch up a little at a time and really lay the body on these running QB's even if it means the odd penalty.
There is a reason why pro football has always been reluctant to have QB's who can run the ball, it is injuries. RB's have a 5 year shelf life because teams go after them and have real opportunities to lay the body on them and that is what is going to happen to Kaepernick and Wilson. I predict very short careers for these 3 QB's.
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How many hits did Brett Farve take in the pocket over his long career?
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02-04-2013, 12:23 PM
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My thoughts on Kaepernick?
Big nose, annoying voice, stupid tattoos. 2/10. Would not bang.
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Tattoo's can be stupid? Didn't know that, thanks.
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02-04-2013, 12:30 PM
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49ers are in the superbowl because largely there team is very talented every where and they have a great coach. Kaep is doing great but he is not the sole driving reason for the 49ers success. 9ers are stacked. Kaepernick is a good young QB who is playing great right now. He's no Joe Flacco, but he's pretty good.
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Except that stacked defense has been doing nothing in the playoffs but digging the team in a whole. Luckily, Kaepernick was good enough brought them back using his arm and legs.
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02-04-2013, 02:59 PM
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Let's see him replicate the success next season before anointing him anything. Alex Smith was much more than a game manager and really flourished under Haurbaugh in San Fran. The o-line was dominant all season and they had a strong running game.
How defenses across the league adjust to the pistol and spread option next season is going to be interesting.
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02-04-2013, 03:05 PM
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Im a big fan of Kaepernick, but to say the Niners wouldn't have made the Super Bowl if Alex Smith was behind Center is absolutely assinine. Smith played great and should have went to teh Super Bowl Last year if it wasn't for Kyle WIlliams fumbling the game away.
Smith was absolutely playing magniificent before a concussion knocked him out.
You don't know what would have happened, regardless of the situation. But lets not take the fact Alex Smith was Kaepernick's back up to end the year as something so low. Both QBs were great this year. Harbaugh went with Kap because he took his opportunity and ran with it. Alex Smith will be a starter next year. Kap is better and has much better upside, but that doesn't mean Smith is no good.
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02-05-2013, 07:54 AM
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I have watched every single snap that Alex Smith has taken for the 49ers in his entire career. He is a mediocre game managing quarterback. He had his best success last year riding a team that played good to great defense and great special teams. This years team was simply not as good as last years especially on defense which showed in all three playoff games.
The 49ers were simply not headed to the Super Bowl with Alex Smith as quarterback. In fact I doubt they would have beaten out Seattle for the division championship. I have a hard time believing that Smith would have beaten the Saints and Patriots in the regular season. A wild card birth, one and done. My opinion of course but there is no way and hell Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl. No way.
Last year the 49er team led Alex Smith to the NFC championship game. This year Colin Kapernick led the 49ers to the Super Bowl.
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02-05-2013, 08:13 AM
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Im a big fan of Kaepernick, but to say the Niners wouldn't have made the Super Bowl if Alex Smith was behind Center is absolutely assinine. Smith played great and should have went to teh Super Bowl Last year if it wasn't for Kyle WIlliams fumbling the game away.
Smith was absolutely playing magniificent before a concussion knocked him out.
You don't know what would have happened, regardless of the situation. But lets not take the fact Alex Smith was Kaepernick's back up to end the year as something so low. Both QBs were great this year. Harbaugh went with Kap because he took his opportunity and ran with it. Alex Smith will be a starter next year. Kap is better and has much better upside, but that doesn't mean Smith is no good.
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This year, there was zero change Smith would have won the SB. You are forgetting the fact that the 49ers defensive didn't show up for the playoffs.
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02-05-2013, 09:45 AM
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Tattoo's can be stupid? Didn't know that, thanks.
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I don't know if you're trying to be clever, but yes tattoos can be incredibly stupid.
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02-05-2013, 10:18 AM
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I don't know if you're trying to be clever, but yes tattoos can be incredibly stupid.
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No they can't. The people that decide to wear them sometimes can.
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02-05-2013, 10:25 AM
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Let's see him replicate the success next season before anointing him anything. Alex Smith was much more than a game manager and really flourished under Haurbaugh in San Fran. .
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I don't know why more people don't understand this. When you watched San Fran play here most recently, Kaep was by far their best player on the field. He was dynamic and was the primary piece that made them go, Alex Smith was along for the ride. Some people act as if there isn't a huge difference between the two.
Also the way the defense was playing last year is like night and day compared to how they finished this year. They needed a play-maker on offense, not a game manager.
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02-05-2013, 10:30 AM
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02-05-2013, 10:31 AM
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I don't know if you're trying to be clever, but yes tattoos can be incredibly stupid.
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This is why you never pass out drunk around tattoo artists.
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02-05-2013, 10:42 AM
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No they can't. The people that decide to wear them sometimes can.
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Tattoos aren't even capable of intelligent thought. They're super stupid.
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02-05-2013, 11:12 AM
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I don't know why more people don't understand this. When you watched San Fran play here most recently, Kaep was by far their best player on the field. He was dynamic and was the primary piece that made them go, Alex Smith was along for the ride. Some people act as if there isn't a huge difference between the two.
Also the way the defense was playing last year is like night and day compared to how they finished this year. They needed a play-maker on offense, not a game manager.
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Smith was no slouch - they would of been in the superbowl last year with him at the helm if Kyle Williams did not fumble that punt and was playing very well this year before being replaced.
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02-05-2013, 11:29 AM
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Tattoos aren't even capable of intelligent thought. They're super stupid.
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Actually, they aren't capable of ANY thought, therefore they can't be stupid.
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02-05-2013, 11:30 AM
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Smith was no slouch - they would of been in the superbowl last year with him at the helm if Kyle Williams did not fumble that punt and was playing very well this year before being replaced.
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And there defense was playing much better at that time.
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Actually, they aren't capable of ANY thought, therefore they can't be stupid.
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They're so stupid that they've completely bypassed being stupid, and have become something else altogether?
That's offensive to tattoos, and you shouldn't generalize.
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02-05-2013, 12:52 PM
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I have watched every single snap that Alex Smith has taken for the 49ers in his entire career. He is a mediocre game managing quarterback. He had his best success last year riding a team that played good to great defense and great special teams. This years team was simply not as good as last years especially on defense which showed in all three playoff games.
The 49ers were simply not headed to the Super Bowl with Alex Smith as quarterback. In fact I doubt they would have beaten out Seattle for the division championship. I have a hard time believing that Smith would have beaten the Saints and Patriots in the regular season. A wild card birth, one and done. My opinion of course but there is no way and hell Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl. No way.
Last year the 49er team led Alex Smith to the NFC championship game. This year Colin Kapernick led the 49ers to the Super Bowl.
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What he said... plus, it's taken Smith this long to become the game manager that he has grown into. The 49ers offense hsa a completely different dimension with Kaepernick. Even if Kaepernick didn't run the read-option, the 49er offense is far better. CK gets the ball accurately down the field, Smith checked down routinely and rarely pushed the ball down the field. CK fires lasers that hit receivers in stride... Smith gets them the ball with nothing left to do but absorb a hit. The differences between them throwing the ball is tremendous.
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02-05-2013, 12:55 PM
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Do people really think Kap is better than Cam Newton at anything?
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02-05-2013, 01:29 PM
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They're so stupid that they've completely bypassed being stupid, and have become something else altogether?
That's offensive to tattoos, and you shouldn't generalize.
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One thing that's more stupid than tattoos is and argument whether or not tattoos are stupid, therefore I have to say good day.
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02-05-2013, 01:46 PM
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One thing that's more stupid than tattoos is and argument whether or not tattoos are stupid, therefore I have to say good day.
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You're only saying that cause TH was kicking your ass in the argument.
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02-05-2013, 01:48 PM
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You're only saying that cause TH was kicking your ass in the argument.
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Ah, a cheerleader. Don't forget to include this little gig on your taxes. TH was obviously having some fun with the debate from the beginning, but I wouldn't expect someone like you to pick up on that.
Now, I am telling you the same thing I told him, good day. You and TH can celebrate however you all tend to celebrate (in your own mind).
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TH generally takes me out to a strip club and we cross swords while laughing at you with the hookers.
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