New York Giants Discussion

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Forenci

No offense, but with any injury, especially ACL injuries, you can't really compare one case to another.

I know. Which was kind of my point. You can't compare when they happen. But the fact that he's only starting to jog now makes me think this is going to be significantly longer than a one year recovery.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

I know. Which was kind of my point. You can't compare when they happen. But the fact that he's only starting to job now makes me think this is longer than a one year recovery.

It might be, I'm not really expecting much from but it's impossible to say. Some guys take 1-2 years to fully to recover, others are freaks of nature like Adrian Peterson and can come back sooner. Just too hard to tell.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Boley is cut.

[Big_Pete]

I am curious to see people's thoughts on this...

IF NYG are unable to sign Cruz to an extension and place the top RFA tender on him, do you think a team would part with a first round pick to sign Cruz?

There are a few playoff teams with decent cap room and are likely looking to upgrade their WRs.

[scottyboy]

Wanna make predictions on the next guy cut? My guess is canty which sucks because i like him

[Jughead10]

I don't know about next, but Webster will either be cut or cut and then immediately signed again to a new deal. There is no way we can go into next year with his cap situation the way it is.

[Giantsfan1080]

Probably Webster. :(

[scottyboy]

I think webster, canty and Diehl are all guys on the chopping block. Id love to have them back, but I doubt it at this point

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm worried Bradshaw is going to get cut also possibly. Hopefully we do cut some of these guys and they re-sign. I'm a bit attached to the guys who won the 2 SB's with us.

[Giantsfan1080]

I also think we should sign Ellerbe in FA if he doesn't re-sign in Baltimore. Williams and Ellerbe on the outside would be a good duo.

[scottyboy]

I'd be most upset if we didn't bring back Webster out of all the guys mentioned

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I also think we should sign Ellerbe in FA if he doesn't re-sign in Baltimore. Williams and Ellerbe on the outside would be a good duo.

With Ray and Reed likely leaving, they will re-sign Ellerbe. He also just isn't a Giant. I could never see us signing him.

[Giantsfan1080]

I don't know much about his attitude or personality but I thought he'd be a good fit. How is he not a Giant typle player?

[Rosebud]

Lets not forget that Boley and Antonio Pierce weren't exactly prototypical giants either in Atlanta and Washington.

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

Lets not forget that Boley and Antonio Pierce weren't exactly prototypical giants either in Atlanta and Washington.

Totally disagree about that. Especially with Pierce. He was always known as an extremely cerebral player.

[Rosebud]

I thought you were referring to their mouthiness and tendency to carry that douchiness off the field with them, not their instincts.

[scottyboy]

rumor has it that Bradshaw expects to be cut. hmmm

[Malaka]

Believe it or not I like these potential cuts and changes. It's going to make us a younger team. It's refreshing actually, and exactly what we need to do. JR is not loyal to a fault like Coughlin and he knows that in order to be competitive we have to hit the reset button. I feel like we hit our peak with this group of players. Do I recommend roster overhaul? No, but some of the excess fat has to go even if they are productive like Webster and Bradshaw, even Cruz if he wants top 3 WR money.

I can wash my hands and be done with Bradshaw, Boley, Webster, and Canty even if they were cogs to this team they easily replaced. So many cheaper options are available even Glenn Dorsey would probably be a lot cheaper than Canty and give us the same production, if Rivers re-signs he gives us exactly what Boley did (BIG IF, if he stays healthy), and Bradshaw can already be replaced in house with Brown and Wilson and possibly a late round pick/UDFA. The only guy I would make an effort to restructure or give a new contract to is Webster, although Amukamara looks like he's going to have to step up and be the top corner Webster can still be a solid #2 and I don't think he would be easily replaced unless we go corner in round 1 (I think Hosley is going to be strictly a slot guy.)

On another note Cruz wanting top 3 WR money is laughable... he is a good player but god damn is he over rated. Nicks is so much better and more important than Cruz, its a shame he has a hard time staying healthy. If he demands that money I let him go and I take Robert Woods round 2, rich man's Steve Smith (Our Steve Smith).

[Giantsfan1080]

I have a bit of a feeling that we end up losing Cruz in RFA and end up getting some team's #1.

[Malaka]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I have a bit of a feeling that we end up losing Cruz in RFA and end up getting some team's #1.

I'll take it.

I love Cruz but the man is so overrated.

If I am Philbin I sign Greg Jennings and trade for Cruz. Talk about setting Tannehill up for success haha.

[Giantsfan1080]

I don't think he's overrated for our system and it would hurt to lose him. Reese will have to find that balance between fair deal for him and us. That's a lot of production to make up for.

[bigbluedefense]

I'm fine win these cuts. It's time to clean house. Lets gut the roster. It got old and stale, it's time for some youth to step up and show what they can do. We have a lot of money tied to mediocre production and its time to start fresh.

If all these cuts help us re-sign Nicks and Cruz I'm all for it. Webster, Canty, Bradshaw, Diehl, Boley, Osi. I wish we threw Tuck in there too but I know that's not happening. Wouldn't mind Snee or Boothe gone too. Its time to rebuild.

[Malaka]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I don't think he's overrated for our system and it would hurt to lose him. Reese will have to find that balance between fair deal for him and us. That's a lot of production to make up for.

I agree he is excellent for our system and it would definitely hurt to lose him. (Who would we replace him with? Randle? LOL. I do like Woods in round 2 if Cruz is gone.)

I would love to bring him back for a fair deal. However, I laugh whenever I hear him demanding top 3 receiver money. He is barely top 10. He is not worth that cap hit although WR automatically becomes one of our biggest needs if he goes. If we can get a first round pick for him and not have way overspend to keep him, I am happy; he is no Megatron/Moss/Green... he is replaceable.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I'm fine win these cuts. It's time to clean house. Lets gut the roster. It got old and stale, it's time for some youth to step up and show what they can do. We have a lot of money tied to mediocre production and its time to start fresh.

If all these cuts help us re-sign Nicks and Cruz I'm all for it. Webster, Canty, Bradshaw, Diehl, Boley, Osi. I wish we threw Tuck in there too but I know that's not happening. Wouldn't mind Snee or Boothe gone too. Its time to rebuild.

Boothe is a FA. I'd like to bring him back for OL depth. Not sure how he's viewed outside NY but he always does a solid job for us.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Boothe is a FA. I'd like to bring him back for OL depth. Not sure how he's viewed outside NY but he always does a solid job for us.

I like him as a backup like you said. The question is how much will he cost? For the right price I like him as a backup. But he's a player that if he were to start I'd actively look to replace him. We need a road grader next to Beatty.