New York Giants Discussion

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I want Randy Moss.

I know people think he's washed up but he has a lot left in the tank. He just needs more snaps. Deep balls to Moss. Let's do it. Come on man! I want Moss to be a Giant so bad! Let's just do it.

Please stop. I know you're semi-joking (at least I hope so) but he sucks. He has done almost nothing this year. That's not due to a lack of snaps. It's due to the fact that he's a one trick pony and he's not even that good at it anymore. He was open one time in the Super Bowl and people think he's amazing all of a sudden.

He sucks. Move on.

[OSUGiants17]

My current big board, excluding guys I think won't be there:
1. Ziggy
2. Johnson
3. Warmack
4. Richardson
5. Jordan
6. Ogletree
7. Banks
8. Rhodes
9. Jones
10. Minter

I know I've said it before, but we are so lucky with the draft this year. This draft is extremely deep at our positions of need and we have the luxury of being able to just sit back and let the right guy fall to us. In Reese We Trust!

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Forenci

Please stop. I know you're semi-joking (at least I hope so) but he sucks. He has done almost nothing this year. That's not due to a lack of snaps. It's due to the fact that he's a one trick pony and he's not even that good at it anymore. He was open one time in the Super Bowl and people think he's amazing all of a sudden.

He sucks. Move on.

Beatty sucks. Boom. Roasted.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I wonder if letting Beatty walk, and drafting a LT and plug and play would be an option. We have some guys on the roster. Could they be eligible to play LT? We would save a lot of money letting Beatty walk. He had a good-great season this past year. But perhaps get someone younger to take over? Just wondering out loud. It would be a gamble, but could get younger, cheaper, and perhaps save money.

[bigbluedefense]

I don't see us doing that. The 3 OTs that are great: Joekel, Fisher, and Johnson will all be gone before our pick. Fluker is a G or RT.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Beatty sucks. Boom. Roasted.

I mean, I'm not a huge Connecticut homer or anything so when people insult the prospects of UConn I don't really get offended. Especially when we all know Beatty did a damn good job this year.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I don't see us doing that. The 3 OTs that are great: Joekel, Fisher, and Johnson will all be gone before our pick. Fluker is a G or RT.

Trade up? Can Capers, Mosley, OR McCants play LT? Brewer play RT? If anyone of those guys can do that it can really help us a lot.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Forenci

I mean, I'm not a huge Connecticut homer or anything so when people insult the prospects of UConn I don't really get offended. Especially when we all know Beatty did a damn good job this year.

He was ok. Lets not act like he was Joe Thomas out there. The rest of the OL sucks so he looks good in comparison.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

Trade up? Can Capers, Mosley, OR McCants play LT? Brewer play RT? If anyone of those guys can do that it can really help us a lot.

Too many needs we can't afford to lose picks.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Too many needs we can't afford to lose picks.

Yeah I know. We are in a cap situation I haven't seen in a long time. But I do like getting younger so this off season will be interesting!

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

He was ok. Lets not act like he was Joe Thomas out there. The rest of the OL sucks so he looks good in comparison.

I didn't say he was Joe Thomas. He was very good though. Our season could have very easily been over then and there if he didn't work out. Could you imagine Dave Diehl playing LT this year? Eli would have died.

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Originally Posted by Forenci

I didn't say he was Joe Thomas. He was very good though. Our season could have very easily been over then and there if he didn't work out. Could you imagine Dave Diehl playing LT this year? Eli would have died.

I'm with you Forenci. Beatty was one of the few bright spots on our team last year. One of the few guys who performed better in 2012 than 2011. I think we should offer him a new contract. We have enough overrated bums worthy of cutting(looking at you Tuck and Diehl) to let one of the few good,young players leave.

We need to be smart about where we spend our money this offseason. And Beatty is a good investment provided he doesn't demand to be payed like a top left tackle. I suspect we can get him a bit cheaper this year than we normally would, because of the strong FA Tackle class.

[Forenci]

I'd like to retain him for sure. In a normal year, I wouldn't be that upset if we let him go and took our chances in the draft and free agency. We just have too many things to address not to keep him. Can't add LT and RT to the list. As Norwegian said, with a good FA tackle class, as well as this being his first good year I'm hopeful he won't cost a fortune. It might end up being a really nice discount at the position, which as BBD says, is overrated.

[scottyboy]

even I haven't insulted Beatty and have advcated re-signing him. that's when you know

[Big_Pete]

I would be ok with trading up for the right player.

If we package our 1st and 2nd, by the trade vale chart its worth around #8.

With this year's class we may be able to get a little more value.

I would be ok in trading up for Ansah, Lotulelei, Joeckel or Fisher. I think they are genuinely elite prospects at positons we need. These are all high value positions as well.

But f we can't get one of these, we shouldn't trade up

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Originally Posted by Big_Pete

I would be ok with trading up for the right player.

If we package our 1st and 2nd, by the trade vale chart its worth around #8.

With this year's class we may be able to get a little more value.

I would be ok in trading up for Ansah, Lotulelei, Joeckel or Fisher. I think they are genuinely elite prospects at positons we need. These are all high value positions as well.

But f we can't get one of these, we shouldn't trade up

I'd rather trade down then up in this years class to be honest. I feel like there's a lot of value in rounds two, three and four in this years draft. And we have too many needs to give not use all our draft choices

[Big_Pete]

Originally Posted by BigBlueNorwegian

I'd rather trade down then up in this years class to be honest. I feel like there's a lot of value in rounds two, three and four in this years draft. And we have too many needs to give not use all our draft choices

I disagree, there are only a few truly elite players at our need positons

considering the depth of the draft, the difference in talent available in rounds 2-3 is not that much

dont forget we will likely get some comp picks

[Rosebud]

If we sign a big FA I'd love to see us bring in one of Levitre, Knighton or Jason Jones.

[bigbluedefense]

There's actually alot of great OL FAs available. I'm curious to see how that impacts the OL in this draft class. If any falls as a result.

[Rosebud]

Yeah, the OL class is stacked in both FA and the draft, I think we'll definitely be able to find a quality starter for a reasonable price if we go that way. That's why I'd love to see us grab Levitre, I think he's a star, and if Buffalo lets him leave he could get lost in the shuffle with guys like Albert, Long, Smith, etc. on the market.

The DT corps. is pretty solid to and I think depending on what our cap looks like we could find a competent starter there to. I love Jason Jones, he's very Tuck like, but bigger and is more natural playing DT on downs that aren't obvious passing downs. If we could snag him, wrap up Beatty for a reasonable deal and find another starter along the OL or for the LB corps. we'll be in a great position heading into the draft.

[LTgiants]

Did Jason Jones even do anything this season? Cause idr hearing his name once after he left Tennessee.

[Big_Pete]

I am really curious to see what happens on the Oline in free agency, there are a few options. I wouldn't mind Levitre if it was possible but we will have options.

Jason Jones was with the Seahawks and was productive, but also had injury issues as well.

[bigbluedefense]

Victor Cruz is losing leverage. Not only are Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, Wes Welker, and Danny Amendola all free agents, now Percy Harvin is on the table via trade.

That will further hurt Cruz's leverage in negotiations. I think we keep Cruz for at least one more year one way or another. Bc with all those FAs available, plus Harvin in a trade, I don't see all of those FAs getting taken, Harvin getting traded for, AND someone trading for Cruz as well.

It just is highly unlikely. The #s are against him.

So that sucks for him, but it's great for us.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by LTgiants

Did Jason Jones even do anything this season? Cause idr hearing his name once after he left Tennessee.

Pretty sure he's been hurt a lot of the time. Which is problematic, but I did say he was Tuck like, and it's the reason I think we could get him without breaking the bank.

[bigbluedefense]

I'm not a fan of Jones bc he's a 3rd contract player. Unless those guys are dirt cheap, I'm typically not interested.

If he was worth value he'd stay in Seattle. I rather have Pot Roast honestly, and have 2 jumbo guys inside to stop the run.