Percy Harvin Traded to the Seahawks - Page 2

General Zod · 02-10-2013, 05:11 PM

This isnt the Vikes wanting to trade him, this is Percy demanding to be traded. If you cant get along with Leslie Frazier, who can you get a long with?

And I'll pretty much guarantee that the Vikes WRs will be completely different next season. With the exception of Jarius Wright. Simpson, Jenkins, Aromashodu, are all free agents and arent expected to resign.

SunTzu_22 · 02-10-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Shupp

Vikings go from worst receiving core in the league to the worst in history?? lol

That award still goes to the WR group of the 2011 Jacksonville Jaguars.

gpngc · 02-10-2013, 05:20 PM

Agreed. Harvin is a scary investment. Super talented and potentially a take the next step addition for a good team. But it's scary to give up picks and or money for him.

proshoota25 · 02-10-2013, 05:27 PM

there were reports that Bill was going to select Percy in that draft, right before the Vikings took him a pick or two ahead. Apparently, Bill was infatuated with Percy. He is the perfect fit in our offense. However, it would surprise me if we traded for him. Here is the thing: Do the Patriots want to give up an asset AND give him a contract? I'm not so sure....

gpngc · 02-10-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by proshoota25

there were reports that Bill was going to select Percy in that draft, right before the Vikings took him a pick or two ahead. Apparently, Bill was infatuated with Percy. He is the perfect fit in our offense. However, it would surprise me if we traded for him. Here is the thing: Do the Patriots want to give up an asset AND give him a contract? I'm not so sure....

Yup. That's where that asset becomes a lower pick than what he's worth on the field.

Unless we get a full blown 15 team auction which is also possible.

Shupp · 02-10-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

I said the majority of my lifetime genius. I'm not 4 years old.

You guys have had a pathetic WR corps for years, you must really be drinking the Viking Cool-aid if you think you haven't had a glaring need for years. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt is it genius? Maybe you're still waiting for the great Sydney Rice to come back with Brett Favre?

Ness · 02-10-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

When's the last time you signed an impact receiver? Vikings have zero history of it.

Cris Carter was signed after being cut by the Eagles in the early 1990's.

Brodeur · 02-10-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Cris Carter was signed after being cut by the Eagles in the early 1990's.

20 years ago doesn't count.

yo123 · 02-10-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shupp

You guys have had a pathetic WR corps for years, you must really be drinking the Viking Cool-aid if you think you haven't had a glaring need for years. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt is it genius? Maybe you're still waiting for the great Sydney Rice to come back with Brett Favre?

We've had a pathetic WR corps for 3 years. You can try to discount Sidney Rice by calling him great sarcastically but he was a good player for us. Before that and after Moss/Carter we had a bad stretch, but before that we had, well Moss and Carter.

I said for the majority of my lifetime we've been fine at receiver. Not currently. The majority of my lifetime. That's a fact. Why are you so upset about that?

This isn't even relevant to the thread so I'll let you guys get back on topic.

General Zod · 02-10-2013, 05:45 PM

He's already stated(or his agent) that he wants to paid has much as the top "playmakers" in the NFL. So someone gonna have to pay him big.

If only Al Davis was still alive...

General Zod · 02-10-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Shupp

You guys have had a pathetic WR corps for years, you must really be drinking the Viking Cool-aid if you think you haven't had a glaring need for years. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt is it genius? Maybe you're still waiting for the great Sydney Rice to come back with Brett Favre?

lol, why you so mad bro?

Shupp · 02-10-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Cris Carter was signed after being cut by the Eagles in the early 1990's.

LOL, early 90's? I guess you took the "no history" pretty literally. I guess the Vikings have a history of drafting quality QB's in the 3rd round due to the 1961 NFL draft and their selection of Fran Tarkenton.

Shupp · 02-10-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

We've had a pathetic WR corps for 3 years. You can try to discount Sidney Rice by calling him great sarcastically but he was a good player for us. Before that and after Moss/Carter we had a bad stretch, but before that we had, well Moss and Carter.

I said for the majority of my lifetime we've been fine at receiver. Not currently. The majority of my lifetime. That's a fact. Why are you so upset about that?

This isn't even relevant to the thread so I'll let you guys get back on topic.

You were the one to fire the first insult with the, "genius" sarcasm so don't try to take the high road. If you're gonna insult someone don't be surprised if they get upset, "genius".

yo123 · 02-10-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shupp

You were the one to fire the first insult with the, "genius" sarcasm so don't try to take the high road. If you're gonna insult someone don't be surprised if they get upset, "genius".

Lol. Sorry I hurt your feelings. Carry on.

WCH · 02-10-2013, 05:55 PM

Ehhh...I obviously watched a lot of Brett Favre, and he really did make a lot of receivers look better than they were. This guy is a prime example:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/SchrBi00.htm

Antonio Freeman is a less extreme example. Without Favre, he's Mario Manningham. You could do worse, but you could do better.

There are a lot of other guys. I have no problem believing that Favre "made" Sidney Rice.

This ties in with my broader hypothesis that Quarterbacks can "make" WRs, but the opposite isn't true. That's a topic for another thread...

gpngc · 02-10-2013, 05:58 PM

Sidney Rice was pretty freaking awesome last year so while I think Favre maximized his potential and gave him a huge confidence boost, Rice is a good player in his own right.

Just way too injury prone. Last year he was awesome. Really good production considering half of the yr he was in a stupid conservative offense and still found the end zone.

K Train · 02-10-2013, 06:04 PM

rice was pure **** for the vikings before favre....he was like the 4th WR and on the roster bubble until favre fell in love with him. before that he was good for running down the sideline for a TD 2-3 times a year. Favre absoultely gave him a ridiculous boost in confidence in the pro game and turned him into a player.

favre made rice a lot of money because he could catch his bullet passes and jump up in the air for some of his floaters

yo123 · 02-10-2013, 06:08 PM

People act like Rice was a seasoned veteran when Favre got here. It was his third year in the league. WR's taking time to develop is not anything new. He had a solid season this year with a QB that likes to spread the ball around and in an offense that likes to run the ball. He's a good player who gets hurt a lot.

Edit-Rice was never on the roster bubble....don't know where you heard that.

wogitalia · 02-10-2013, 07:56 PM

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Harvin, he is a great player when he is on the field but that is pretty rare and he is a nightmare off it if basically anything you hear about him is to be believed.

I'd probably start considering it anywhere inside the first half of the 3rd round and up but obviously would be hoping for a bit more. Reality is that he seems to be 99% gone as a Viking so we may as well get something for him now. Can't see us winning a SB any time soon anyway and really WR isn't a great need when you look at all our other needs, starting with a QB who can actually get them he pill.

Brodeur · 02-10-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wogitalia

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Harvin, he is a great player when he is on the field but that is pretty rare and he is a nightmare off it if basically anything you hear about him is to be believed.

I'd probably start considering it anywhere inside the first half of the 3rd round and up but obviously would be hoping for a bit more. Reality is that he seems to be 99% gone as a Viking so we may as well get something for him now. Can't see us winning a SB any time soon anyway and really WR isn't a great need when you look at all our other needs, starting with a QB who can actually get them he pill.

What went wrong here?

TitanHope · 02-10-2013, 08:06 PM

This'll kill Ponder.

Ok, well, not kill him, but he's certainly not gonna enjoy it!

Rosebud · 02-10-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WCH

Ehhh...I obviously watched a lot of Brett Favre, and he really did make a lot of receivers look better than they were. This guy is a prime example:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/SchrBi00.htm

Antonio Freeman is a less extreme example. Without Favre, he's Mario Manningham. You could do worse, but you could do better.

There are a lot of other guys. I have no problem believing that Favre "made" Sidney Rice.

This ties in with my broader hypothesis that Quarterbacks can "make" WRs, but the opposite isn't true. That's a topic for another thread...

WR can take their QBs to another level of performance. The way Green makes Dalton able to do things he wouldn't be able to with a normal receiving corps. Or how megatron elevated Stafford into a top 10 QB last year, or Fitz reviving Kurt Warner's career, and AJ has been making Schaub look legit for years. A truly great WR can make a QB, not as easily as QB can make a WR but truly great receivers do exactly that.

49erNation85 · 02-10-2013, 08:42 PM

Do it San Francisco.

J-Mike88 · 02-10-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

When's the last time you signed an impact receiver?

How can everyone forget about Bernie?

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2008/3/1/173022/2009

Minnesota Vikings Sign WR Bernard Berrian to a Six-Year Deal

So sayeth Fox Sports' Jay Glazer:
The Vikings have come to terms on a six-year deal with Bernard Berrian, sources have told FOXSports.com. The worth of the deal is not yet known.

Berrian was considered the No. 2 receiver on the open market behind Randy Moss. The Chicago Bears wanted to retain Berrian, who was the team's deep threat. But in the end, the deal Minnesota offered was too good to pass up.

Pacifist Viking should be pretty pleased with this one. Heck, I'm even starting to come around on it a little bit myself.

More on this from me tomorrow. . .until then, feel free to discuss!

the_legend_killer · 02-10-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

How can everyone forget about Bernie?

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2008/3/1/173022/2009

Minnesota Vikings Sign WR Bernard Berrian to a Six-Year Deal

So sayeth Fox Sports' Jay Glazer:
The Vikings have come to terms on a six-year deal with Bernard Berrian, sources have told FOXSports.com. The worth of the deal is not yet known.

Berrian was considered the No. 2 receiver on the open market behind Randy Moss. The Chicago Bears wanted to retain Berrian, who was the team's deep threat. But in the end, the deal Minnesota offered was too good to pass up.

Pacifist Viking should be pretty pleased with this one. Heck, I'm even starting to come around on it a little bit myself.

More on this from me tomorrow. . .until then, feel free to discuss!

....we can't if you bring it up! :)