NBA Discussion Thread - Page 3220

zachsaints52 · 02-11-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LTgiants

Dalembert is at the end of a contract where he making just under 7 million. Which is more the both Young and Wright. He is probably going to get overpaid again simply cause he is a big guy. Especially if he shows he can keep playing as well as he is playing atm.

So if you added Dalembert and Smith instead of Bynum you really wouldn't be saving that much money.

No one will sign Dalembert to another 7 mil a year deal, he doesn't play enough in games to justify that. He was making 10 mil the deal before (or was it a de-escalator contract?) when he was with the 76ers the first time.

LTgiants · 02-11-2013, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

No one will sign Dalembert to another 7 mil a year deal, he doesn't play enough in games to justify that. He was making 10 mil the deal before (or was it a de-escalator contract?) when he was with the 76ers the first time.

He is played in just about every game the past 6 seasons only missing 3 games before he got to Milwaukee and that is cause he got on Skiles bad side. So how does he not play enough he is not a injury risk?

Idk what kind of contract he had but he it wouldn't surprise me if he got a deal where he makes around 6-6.5 mill per year in fa this July. Which is about what is making this season.

zachsaints52 · 02-11-2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LTgiants

He is played in just about every game the past 6 seasons only missing 3 games before he got to Milwaukee and that is cause he got on Skiles bad side. So how does he not play enough he is not a injury risk?

Idk what kind of contract he had but he it wouldn't surprise me if he got a deal where he makes around 6-6.5 mill per year in fa this July. Which is about what is making this season.

My bad, he hasn't started enough. I don't understand why either. Personally? I love Dalembert, he is the type of Center you want if your a uptempo type team (he played Soccer in Haiti as a child). But I don't see many teams thatll go that high for him. 76ers got a player who averages about the same (Allen) but Allen is younger. He only got 3 mil. Plus, Dally will be 32 next year. I'd give him a 2 year deal maybe 5.5 this year and 6/6.5 next.

LTgiants · 02-11-2013, 10:04 PM

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My bad, he hasn't started enough. I don't understand why either. Personally? I love Dalembert, he is the type of Center you want if your a uptempo type team (he played Soccer in Haiti as a child). But I don't see many teams thatll go that high for him. 76ers got a player who averages about the same (Allen) but Allen is younger. He only got 3 mil. Plus, Dally will be 32 next year. I'd give him a 2 year deal maybe 5.5 this year and 6/6.5 next.

He didn't start for the Kings cause they obviously would start Cousins and The Rockets I want to say he was the starter for most of the season until they made the move for Camby but I am not sure about that one.

If guys like Marcus Camby at 38 can get a 3 year deal still then so can Dalembert.

zachsaints52 · 02-11-2013, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LTgiants

He didn't start for the Kings cause they obviously would start Cousins and The Rockets I want to say he was the starter for most of the season until they made the move for Camby but I am not sure about that one.

If guys like Marcus Camby at 38 can get a 3 year deal still then so can Dalembert.

The last year in the deal isn't guarenteed, and I doubt Camby wouldve done the S&T without at least a 2 year deal at least (which money is less than the first year).

Rob S · 02-11-2013, 10:11 PM

There is far too much Samuel Dalembert in this thread right now.

LTgiants · 02-11-2013, 10:12 PM

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There is far too much Samuel Dalembert in this thread right now.

Na we clearly need more arguments about if Tyson Chandler can be a offensive juggernaut instead lol.

Rob S · 02-11-2013, 10:17 PM

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Na we clearly need more arguments about if Tyson Chandler can be a offensive juggernaut instead lol.

At least he is relevant.

zachsaints52 · 02-11-2013, 10:21 PM

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At least he is relevant.

Did you not see his 35 point 12 rebound game in 27 minutez?!

Seriously, I loved the old 76ers. Iggy, Iverson, Korver, Dally. Shoot, Wille Green and before him Aaron McKie.

LTgiants · 02-11-2013, 10:25 PM

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At least he is relevant.

Its not like there is a huge difference between their career totals but w/e. Clearly I guess not allowed to talk about if certain players if they aren't deemed relevant. After all that has never happened before right?

I guess I should say #KNICKS BLAH BLAH BLAH INSTEAD lol.

Vikes99ej · 02-12-2013, 12:17 AM

Byron Mullens is a bad dude.

Brodeur · 02-12-2013, 12:51 AM

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Byron Mullens is a bad dude.

Nah, he's still absurdly terrible. Beasley has had some good games too.

yo123 · 02-12-2013, 12:54 AM

I hadn't lol'd at Byron Mullen's ESPN page in a while, thanks guys.

Not only at the stats, that dude is crazy ugly.

Zycho32 · 02-12-2013, 01:47 AM

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Sleeves are for soccer jerseys. It looks ugly.

I prefer sleeves to armpits, personally. If they can make the fabric stretchable enough to keep the arms mobile, then I'm all for it.

Rob S · 02-12-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LTgiants

Its not like there is a huge difference between their career totals but w/e. Clearly I guess not allowed to talk about if certain players if they aren't deemed relevant. After all that has never happened before right?

I guess I should say #KNICKS BLAH BLAH BLAH INSTEAD lol.

Jokes, man. Jokes. Calm down over there. If you want to talk about Dalembert, feel free, he is just of absolutely no interest to me, but if it floats your boat go for it.

Dr. Gonzo · 02-12-2013, 11:49 AM

So the Raptors will be offering Calderon a contract in the offseason. I will say it again, the Rudy *** trade was a great trade for the Raptors.

Brodeur · 02-12-2013, 12:06 PM

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So the Raptors will be offering Calderon a contract in the offseason. I will say it again, the Rudy *** trade was a great trade for the Raptors.

They have no cap room you clown, it won't matter. He's not coming back. It was a ****** trade for the Raptors.

Dr. Gonzo · 02-12-2013, 12:11 PM

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They have no cap room you clown, it won't matter. He's not coming back. It was a ****** trade for the Raptors.

MLE MLE MLE!

I also think he probably won't be back but the Raptors won't miss him. He slows the game down to a crawl on offensive, dribbles around like a fool only to have to take a tough shot. Now this year he was clutch as **** at times so I gained a newfound respect for him but the Raptors were never going anywhere with him at PG. You also have to understand cap room means nothing in Toronto. It is useless. Every player who signs with Toronto gets overpaid by quite a bit. I am very critical of the organization but in no way was this a bad trade.

crossroads · 02-12-2013, 12:23 PM

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MLE MLE MLE!

I also think he probably won't be back but the Raptors won't miss him. He slows the game down to a crawl on offensive, dribbles around like a fool only to have to take a tough shot. Now this year he was clutch as **** at times so I gained a newfound respect for him but the Raptors were never going anywhere with him at PG. You also have to understand cap room means nothing in Toronto. It is useless. Every player who signs with Toronto gets overpaid by quite a bit. I am very critical of the organization but in no way was this a bad trade.

Unless they make some moves between now and then to clear off some salary they won't be signing anyone other than minimum guys this summer. The teams already slated to be over what is the current luxury tax line, and there's no way MLSE agrees to go even further into the tax levels for a backup PG.

I'll admit Rudy's played better so far than I thought he would, and in a vacuum Calderon and Davis for *** is good value (although Davis is going to be a stud once he finally gets to be a full-time starter.) But he makes a ridiculous amount of money, and combined with all the other over-paid players on the roster (Bargnani, DeRozan, Fields, Kleiza) has left them pretty much stuck with the team they have, with the only hope of elevating being the development of Valanciunas.

D-Unit · 02-12-2013, 12:27 PM

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MLE MLE MLE!

I also think he probably won't be back but the Raptors won't miss him. He slows the game down to a crawl on offensive, dribbles around like a fool only to have to take a tough shot. Now this year he was clutch as **** at times so I gained a newfound respect for him but the Raptors were never going anywhere with him at PG. You also have to understand cap room means nothing in Toronto. It is useless. Every player who signs with Toronto gets overpaid by quite a bit. I am very critical of the organization but in no way was this a bad trade.

I liked the trade for the Raptors. They don't get FAs easily, so this was a great move. The problem I see is that they have very good players but no great ones. They will be a perennial bottom of the lottery or right outside of the lottery type team. Yay.

Brodeur · 02-12-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by crossroads

Unless they make some moves between now and then to clear off some salary they won't be signing anyone other than minimum guys this summer. The teams already slated to be over what is the current luxury tax line, and there's no way MLSE agrees to go even further into the tax levels for a backup PG.

I'll admit Rudy's played better so far than I thought he would, and in a vacuum Calderon and Davis for *** is good value (although Davis is going to be a stud once he finally gets to be a full-time starter.) But he makes a ridiculous amount of money, and combined with all the other over-paid players on the roster (Bargnani, DeRozan, Fields, Kleiza) has left them pretty much stuck with the team they have, with the only hope of elevating being the development of Valanciunas.

Really, shooting that horribly is playing better than you thought? Rudy is not a very good player, and a little okay 3-2 stretch doesn't make the Raps a better team. It was a bad trade, is a bad trade, and will be forever seen as a bad trade.

Dr. Gonzo · 02-12-2013, 12:36 PM

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I liked the trade for the Raptors. They don't get FAs easily, so this was a great move. The problem I see is that they have very good players but no great ones. They will be a perennial bottom of the lottery or right outside of the lottery type team. Yay.

Already traded our first this coming year (well it is top three protected) so I would rather try to win than tank. The Raps need to try and build a team like the Pistons of old, I think that is the only way they will make noise.

Dr. Gonzo · 02-12-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crossroads

Unless they make some moves between now and then to clear off some salary they won't be signing anyone other than minimum guys this summer. The teams already slated to be over what is the current luxury tax line, and there's no way MLSE agrees to go even further into the tax levels for a backup PG.

I'll admit Rudy's played better so far than I thought he would, and in a vacuum Calderon and Davis for *** is good value (although Davis is going to be a stud once he finally gets to be a full-time starter.) But he makes a ridiculous amount of money, and combined with all the other over-paid players on the roster (Bargnani, DeRozan, Fields, Kleiza) has left them pretty much stuck with the team they have, with the only hope of elevating being the development of Valanciunas.

Kleiza needs to be amnestied to make some room but you are right, they do not have much room to work with.

crossroads · 02-12-2013, 12:47 PM

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Really, shooting that horribly is playing better than you thought? Rudy is not a very good player, and a little okay 3-2 stretch doesn't make the Raps a better team. It was a bad trade, is a bad trade, and will be forever seen as a bad trade.

Well, that just goes to show how poorly I expected him to play.

But he has been a little better than his numbers show, especially if you're judging him on his fg%. Of course, I think Casey playing him 40+ mpg may be impacting his percentages, but that would be purely speculation. I think the biggest issue if that teams can pack the paint against him when he drives since no one on this team can shoot the 3 reliably, and that's a result of Colangelo seemingly having no understanding on how players fit together.

Either way, I agree with you that it was a bad trade, but that has more to do with ***'s contract rather than his play so far, and the fact that I think Davis is going to be a 15 and 10 big when he hits his prime.

Brodeur · 02-12-2013, 12:56 PM

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Already traded our first this coming year (well it is top three protected) so I would rather try to win than tank. The Raps need to try and build a team like the Pistons of old, I think that is the only way they will make noise.

Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups were considerably better than any player the Raptors have ever had.