NBA Discussion Thread - Page 3226

Brodeur · 02-14-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

I disagree. He had a very talented team when they were all in tact. Joe Johnson, Al Horford, and Josh Smith is a very talented trio. The fact he was able to so little with so much speaks to why I don't think he's a very good coach.

That's not all that true. Josh Smith had his best season with Woodson, and when he left, he's basically become a moronic chucker on offense. He's a very good defender but that seriously hurts the Hawks. Al Horford's best season was with Woodson as well. And Joe Johnson was a good player, but he was never elite or anything like that. Woodson did what he could with what he had.

Plus, if you don't have Pop coaching you, you take what you can get out there.

EDIT: Except for George Karl, he's absolutely terrible.

Forenci · 02-14-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

That's not all that true. Josh Smith had his best season with Woodson, and when he left, he's basically become a moronic chucker on offense. He's a very good defender but that seriously hurts the Hawks. Al Horford's best season was with Woodson as well. And Joe Johnson was a good player, but he was never elite or anything like that. Woodson did what he could with what he had.

Plus, if you don't have Pop coaching you, you take what you can get out there.

EDIT: Except for George Karl, he's absolutely terrible.

Meh, Smith has ALWAYS been this way though. Horford's seasons are very consistent, regardless of coach.

Brodeur · 02-14-2013, 12:25 PM

Smith's attempts from 16 and beyond...

Woodson's last year: 3.1 per game
2010-2011: 6.3 per game
2011-2012: 7.9 per game
2012-2013: 6.3 per game

He's been MUCH worse with Woodson gone. If anything, Woodson's game plan kept his idiocy neutralized.

Forenci · 02-14-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Smith's attempts from 16 and beyond...

Woodson's last year: 3.1 per game
2010-2011: 6.3 per game
2011-2012: 7.9 per game
2012-2013: 6.3 per game

He's been MUCH worse with Woodson gone. If anything, Woodson's game plan kept his idiocy neutralized.

IsoBall kept him neutralized? Smith has just developed into love his jump shot. I think that has been a natural progression for him and would have happened regardless of if Woodson stayed or not.

Brodeur · 02-14-2013, 12:29 PM

To some degree, yes. You might be right, but again, Woodson is a perfectly decent coach most of the time. He's not great or anything, but he's certainly not hurting your team. Like George Karl.

BuckeyeDan17 · 02-14-2013, 12:30 PM

i think smith could be successful under Pop since he wouldn't put up with this ******** "**** it" long 2s that he has fallen in love with. He's still/always been a talented scorer down low.

Forenci · 02-14-2013, 12:31 PM

Yeah, I'm not trying to say he's the George Karl or Vinny Del Negro of the NBA but many Knicks fans think he's an excellent coach, which I disagree with. To me he's average at best.

bigbluedefense · 02-14-2013, 01:19 PM

Coaches id take over Woodson:

Pop
Rivers
Thibs
Carlisle
Maaaaybe Mark Jackson

I think that's it.

dabears10 · 02-14-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Coaches id take over Woodson:

Pop
Rivers
Thibs
Carlisle
Maaaaybe Mark Jackson

I think that's it.

No to Phil? Is it only current coaches, I would take George Karl as well. But people like to hate on him.

This list seems only like current coaches. I feel like Mike Brown, Woodson, Stan Van Gundy, McHale, Vogel, and Doug Collins are all in the same tier.

Brodeur · 02-14-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dabears10

No to Phil? Is it only current coaches, I would take George Karl as well. But people like to hate on him.

This list seems only like current coaches. I feel like Mike Brown, Woodson, Stan Van Gundy, McHale, Vogel, and Doug Collins are all in the same tier.

Okay, go ahead and take a coach who refuses to play a center in the 4th and would rather put Corey Brewer out there. I'll take a good one.

bigbluedefense · 02-14-2013, 01:32 PM

Only current coaches. Phil only coaches teams he feels he can a championship with.

bigbluedefense · 02-14-2013, 01:34 PM

I like Indy's coach. But the book is still out on him.

dabears10 · 02-14-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Okay, go ahead and take a coach who refuses to play a center in the 4th and would rather put Corey Brewer out there. I'll take a good one.

I'll take a guy who has a career 60% winning percentage. He has been very good with three different teams in Seattle, Milwaukee, and Denver. He is a good coach. I am not saying he is an all-time great, just that I would take him over Woodson.

Brodeur · 02-14-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dabears10

I'll take a guy who has a career 60% winning percentage. He has been very good with three different teams in Seattle, Milwaukee, and Denver. He is a good coach. I am not saying he is an all-time great, just that I would take him over Woodson.

He has had great talent every single place he's gone.

dabears10 · 02-14-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

He has had great talent every single place he's gone.

Here is a team stuffed with talent: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2001.html

D'Antoni has proven that just talent means nothing. He is a coach that has noticeable flaws but has proven repeatedly he is a good coach.

princefielder28 · 02-14-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

He has had great talent every single place he's gone.

Karl ruined the Bucks with the Allen for Payton deal. Still pisses me off to this day.

Brodeur · 02-14-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dabears10

Here is a team stuffed with talent: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2001.html

D'Antoni has proven that just talent means nothing. He is a coach that has noticeable flaws but has proven repeatedly he is a good coach.

No he hasn't, he's proven an ability to repeatedly get a job based on a reputation that is made up of pure ********. And D'Antoni did just fine with what he had in NY prior to last season, and even then, he wasn't doing that poorly. It's not exactly easy to come onto a team with a situation like the Lakers have.

pierce2walker · 02-14-2013, 02:27 PM

I think Smith could be good under a good coach. His jump shooting is bad, but I think that's partially the coach (as Brody pointed out), and a lot of it is the fact that he's arguably the #1 option on the Hawks. Smith sucks as a #1 guy because he's not all that great at creating his own offense, but I think he could be pretty great if he was the #3 guy on a team and served as a stat stuffer. In that role he could focus on running the floor, putbacks, scrappy points, dishing when he drives (which he's actually pretty damn good at), plus his really good defense on top of that. Obviously he's not a max guy as a #3, but if you could bring take him at $10-12M or so he could be pretty valuable on the right team.

bigbluedefense · 02-14-2013, 02:28 PM

D'Antoni is an awful coach.

bigbluedefense · 02-14-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

No he hasn't, he's proven an ability to repeatedly get a job based on a reputation that is made up of pure ********. And D'Antoni did just fine with what he had in NY prior to last season, and even then, he wasn't doing that poorly. It's not exactly easy to come onto a team with a situation like the Lakers have.

D'Antoni single handedly accelerated the destruction of Stat's knees by playing him 40 minutes a night with no rest. And he knew his knees were questionable and still barely played the bench or used a rotation. He was an awful coach.

I hate how we give him so much credit for being an offensive innovator. That's a bunch of ********. 7 seconds or less existed before him. He didn't innovate anything.