Overrated FAs that will get PAID (Dashon Goldson edition!)

[Vikes99ej]

Phil Loadholt.

[Monomach]

Originally Posted by Vikes99ej

Phil Loadholt.

I suspect Phil's going to be UNDERpaid. He was fantastic this season & isn't a "name."

[Menardo75]

Originally Posted by Ness

Really? Let's see what I said before some big games in the gameday threads in the 49ers forum. We'll start with the most recent. The Super Bowl.



Yeah, definitely picked them to lose.

How about against Atlanta. Let's see.



Looks like I picked them to lose again. How about Green Bay?



Need I go on? I think it's quite clear at this point that this rhetoric of me picking the 49ers to lose in EVERY single big game this season is only real in the confines of your skull. Usually I never make concrete selections for the 49ers either way. Even if I do it's usually not associated with a losing connotation. More along the lines of me hoping that the team does their jobs well so they have a chance to win whatever game.

Yeah please win implying that you had no confidence in them. You never actually believed they would win either of the first two playoff games you basically just quoted. You picked them to lose the first time against GB, against Seattle the first time, against NE, probably more than that that I can't remember off the top of my head.

[Monomach]

Originally Posted by Menardo75

Yeah please win implying that you had no confidence in them. You never actually believed they would win either of the first two playoff games you basically just quoted. You picked them to lose the first time against GB, against Seattle the first time, against NE, probably more than that that I can't remember off the top of my head.

You're making me feel really bad for Ness. I'm gonna rep him just because he's earned my respect by having to continually read crazy interpretations of innocuous things he's said without flipping out.

[SickwithIt1010]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Um...Alex Smith is not a good quarterback.

When did I say he was?

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Menardo75

Yeah please win implying that you had no confidence in them. You never actually believed they would win either of the first two playoff games you basically just quoted. You picked them to lose the first time against GB, against Seattle the first time, against NE, probably more than that that I can't remember off the top of my head.

Oh alright we'll leave it to you to decide what I meant/believed with the words I said. Are you a detective?

Seems like you've made your decision on the matter regardless of what I say or regardless of what I did say in the past. The evidence is right in front of you. Not sure why I need to convince you anyways. Like I mentioned more than a few times, believe what you want. Maybe if I acted like a gung-ho moron regarding the 49ers assuming that they couldn't possibly lose any game ever that would "verify" my fandom in your eyes. Do you want a weekly Joe Namath guarantee? If a Bengals fan doesn't have confidence in their team winning EVERY single big game does that make them any less of a fan? Meh, whatever. Doesn't matter as your original lie about me picking the 49ers to lose in EVERY big game was false and I just proved it. You lost. Your outlandish propositions and the terrible reasoning and mincing of words from my statements that has followed them to try and justify your strawman viewpoint has been amusing at the very least. I was trying to help you, but I'll let you continue living in ignorance. Case closed.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Monomach

You're making me feel really bad for Ness. I'm gonna rep him just because he's earned my respect by having to continually read crazy interpretations of innocuous things he's said without flipping out.

Appreciate it. And I agree with that "other" statement you mentioned via rep boost.

[niel89]

I think Paul Kruger has a good chance of being overpaid. Don't get me wrong, he is a good pass rusher, but I'm not sure he is a top level consistent passrusher. One of these teams with open cap space and a lacking pass rush might think he is the answer and they might be disappointed. I could also see him continuing to develop and being a really good piece going forward. Love that jump move he does sometimes.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010

When did I say he was?

You said he shouldn't be upset with Alex Smith considering how successful he was. I'm pointing out that Alex Smith is not a good quarterback, and he has every right to be critical of him bc of that.

[SunTzu_22]

Cary Williams. If he gets more than the 5 mill a year he reportedly turned down from the Ravens last year, some GM will end up with egg on his face. Guy just isn´t very good.

[Menardo75]

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[Ness]

Hopefully Goldson comes back.

[Prime Time]

Originally Posted by Ness

Hopefully Goldson comes back.

Yup, he sure is overrated.

[bigbluedefense]

Yeah, bc a highlight clip of his interceptions is proof that he's not.

It's gonna be a long offseason.

[thebow305]

Jake Long. Hate to say it, and it might very well be us, but he's not the elite LT he once was. Unfortunately.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Yeah, bc a highlight clip of his interceptions is proof that he's not.

It's gonna be a long offseason.

Well who the hell was touting him as the next Ed Reed or Steve Atwater anyways? I know he made first team All Pro this past season, but...I still don't think a lot of people even know who he is.

[Prime Time]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Yeah, bc a highlight clip of his interceptions is proof that he's not.

It's gonna be a long offseason.

Last I checked, a highlight reel of players making big plays was a good thing. But how is he overrated though honestly I just don't get why so many people feel this way? Does he get beat deep once in a while? Sure, but what safety doesn't? Just look at his numbers since he's become a full-time starter. This guy is always on the highlight reel, and it's not just about his interceptions. He also causes a lot of fumbles and gets a ton of deflections as well. Oh yeah, and he strikes fear into receivers but we have already been over that (Colston, Hernandez, etc). The only two safeties I would probably replace him with RIGHT NOW, if I was in fantasy land would be either Earl Thomas or Eric Berry.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Ness

Well who the hell was touting him as the next Ed Reed or Steve Atwater anyways? I know he made first team All Pro this past season, but...I still don't think a lot of people even know who he is.

He's overrated in the sense that he's gonna command elite safety money and he's not an elite safety. I understand that this is how FA works and 99% of FAs are overpaid, but he's overpaid with the premise that he IS an elite safety, when he's not.

He's a good safety. But he's very replaceable.

[49ersfan_87]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Yeah, bc a highlight clip of his interceptions is proof that he's not.

It's gonna be a long offseason.

Depends what you rate him as. I would say he's a top 5 FS, very good player overall. Great player worth Brandon Carr money, no.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Prime Time

Last I checked, a highlight reel of players making big plays was a good thing. But how is he overrated though honestly I just don't get why so many people feel this way? Does he get beat deep once in a while? Sure, but what safety doesn't? Just look at his numbers since he's become a full-time starter. This guy is always on the highlight reel, and it's not just about his interceptions. He also causes a lot of fumbles and gets a ton of deflections as well. Oh yeah, and he strikes fear into receivers but we have already been over that (Colston, Hernandez, etc). The only two safeties I would probably replace him with RIGHT NOW, if I was in fantasy land would be either Earl Thomas or Eric Berry.

He gambles too much, plays out of position often. As a FS, I want my FS to be able to defend the slot. He can't do that. And he greatly benefits from that SF front 7. The entire SF secondary does.

That SF secondary isn't very good. But its masked by all the Cover 2 they play, and how their front 7 is able to generate so much pressure. But when the pressure isn't getting there that secondary is very mediocre.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

He's overrated in the sense that he's gonna command elite safety money and he's not an elite safety. I understand that this is how FA works and 99% of FAs are overpaid, but he's overpaid with the premise that he IS an elite safety, when he's not.

He's a good safety. But he's very replaceable.

Well, the market is the market. Goldson can't change that. I don't think he's a fraud in terms of what he does. Goldson showed flashes of potential before Harbaugh came along.

Good safety play in the NFL is really at a premium. Goldson is one of the better options at his position.

[ChiFan24]

Originally Posted by Prime Time

Yup, he sure is overrated.

This is why 49ers fans get so much crap.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

He gambles too much, plays out of position often. As a FS, I want my FS to be able to defend the slot. He can't do that. And he greatly benefits from that SF front 7. The entire SF secondary does.

That SF secondary isn't very good. But its masked by all the Cover 2 they play, and how their front 7 is able to generate so much pressure. But when the pressure isn't getting there that secondary is very mediocre.

Goldson has benefited a lot from his gambling ways though. And he didn't give up a pass more than 20 yards this past season. He was pretty good against the deep ball except for one blunder in the playoff game against the Falcons where he crept up to the line and let Jones run right past him for an easy touchdown. I don't know how many first downs he gave up this season. He needs to improve on a lot of the intermediate routes...I think this was his issue last season too. But he wasn't getting abused the last two years and rarely targeted. That was Whitner. At least in 2012.

The entire secondary does benefit from the front seven. At the same time they're also good players. Steve Young benefited from playing with Jerry Rice and vice versa. Both were good players in their own right though. In a passing league where teams are constantly spreading out defenses and playing up tempo with leverage in terms of the ruling, a lot of secondaries are going to seem average if the front seven isn't doing their job.

And they don't play that much Cover 2 from what I recall. Especially the corners. Brown and Culliver play off the line a good amount of the time.

As far as the 49ers are concerned, I don't see us breaking the bank for Goldson. He and his agent will probably demand a king's ransom, and I think he has earned his money to be paid as one of the top players at his position. At the same time the 49ers probably won't invest a good amount of their capital in a safety. That isn't to say that Goldson doesn't deserve a pay raise. It's just that the safety position as a whole, in my opinion, asks for more than what the position contributes to the team. Maybe. We'll either just franchise him or at worst he'll walk. If he were to leave I still believe he can be an upgrade to any team and be a decent option for them. He's a good player. Not great, but good.

[Prime Time]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

He gambles too much, plays out of position often. As a FS, I want my FS to be able to defend the slot. He can't do that. And he greatly benefits from that SF front 7. The entire SF secondary does.

That SF secondary isn't very good. But its masked by all the Cover 2 they play, and how their front 7 is able to generate so much pressure. But when the pressure isn't getting there that secondary is very mediocre.

I understand where your coming from as far as coverage goes but he makes up for what he lacks in coverage in the slot through his tackling and deep ball hawking skills.. One can argue that they would rather have a safety who is a sure tackler over his coverage skills, after all isn't that what our cornerbacks are for? I still feel that it all depends on what you want in your safety and that's just your honest opinion, can't argue with that. As far as the front seven goes, yes we all know they get all the credit but there has to be something to say about the fact that our secondary still generates tons of turnovers in the air.. Not trying to go back to last year but our turnover differential was ridiculous in 2011..

Originally Posted by ChiFan24

This is why 49ers fans get so much crap.

Lulz, I seen this one coming.. To be honest I've been on this board since 2007 and I would never post on this forum because I just never have the time before.. Anyway, I love to just browse through the forums and read everyone's insight because I feel like you guys are all great educated fans, but over the years I've seen some of the dumbest arguments come against niners fans.. I mean I get it there are a lot of homers on here and stuff but I feel like every team has fans like this and I for one am usually critical of my team and don't consider myself one of those fans. I'm new to posting here but I guess I'll try to keep the homerism to a minimum. Cheers bro

[Jvig43]

The 9er hate around here started like five months ago. It isn't like its run rampant around these parts.