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[b316]

Originally Posted by Monomach

Not really. He definitely didn't have it under control, lol. They're still in a cap nightmare. They're only like 6 mil under now. If the Sanchez deal never happened, it'd still be grim. Look at the guys who are all free agents now:

2012 Starters:
LG Slauson
RG Moore
RT Howard
TE Moore
FB Hilliard
RB Greene
DE DeVito
S Landry
S Bell
WLB Scott
OLB Pace
OLB Thomas
K Folk

Primary backups:
WR3 Schillens
TE2 Cumberland
S3 Smith
OT Smith (Mostly used as a TE in jumbo)

That's 13 starters and 4 primary backups.

and the first overall pick goes to the New York Jets for the 2014 draft!!! the finally will have their Qb. Please dear baby jesus don't let Johnny Manz declare.

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

That and he hasn't drafted a player worth their weight in ****. But you could put that blame elsewhere.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Nick Mangold
Brad Smith
Leon Washington
Darrelle Revis
David Harris
Dustin Keller

Far from terrible. It's the lack of impact from the last 3 seasons, plus Sanchez that crushes him.

[Monomach]

Man, I hate sportswriters who don't know what they're talking about and go to a ton of trouble to give a super wrong explanation. Was reading the twitter feed of a Bears writer who said that Brian de la Puente is a sure thing to leave New Orleans because the Saints would get no draft pick if someone signs him. He explained restricted free agency, saying that when an RFA was undrafted, no draft pick can be required.

Dipshit had no idea that you can use a tender on a guy that's higher than where he was drafted. There's nothing to stop NO from putting a first round tender on de la Puente.

[ChiFan24]

And that the Saints could just match the offer.

[Monomach]

Originally Posted by ChiFan24

And that the Saints could just match the offer.

He brought it up because their cap situation would make it really tough to pay him real money, which makes sense. If the Bears gave him like 5 mil in the first year, they'd have a real shot at getting him.

[cmarq83]

Originally Posted by phlysac

D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Nick Mangold
Brad Smith
Leon Washington
Darrelle Revis
David Harris
Dustin Keller

Far from terrible. It's the lack of impact from the last 3 seasons, plus Sanchez that crushes him.

The biggest thing is that he signed everyone to 2nd contracts, and isn't receiving value from rookie contracts on anyone besides Wilkerson and Kerley. He overpaid to keep Harris and Holmes despite at the time everyone knowing that one guy was a 1-2ish receiver and the other was a good not great ILB. He delayed paying Mangold, D'Brick, and Holmes in the early years of their contracts to fit under the cap as well. Throw in the awful Sanchez contract and Tannebaum was horrible. Also considering he absolutely failed at replacing Rhodes, Washingon, Jones, Woody, Faneca, Edwards, and Richardson once they got too old or left, the Jets hit a tailspin.

They have no options to get better, and despite cutting some overpaid players they're still going to be trying to replace guys like Bart Scott and Yeremiah Bell with late round type picks. I don't care how much the previous players struggled, you're not likely going to get better trying that formula.

Needless to say I'm going to enjoy the last year of the Ryan era immensely.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by phlysac

D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Nick Mangold
Brad Smith
Leon Washington
Darrelle Revis
David Harris
Dustin Keller

Far from terrible. It's the lack of impact from the last 3 seasons, plus Sanchez that crushes him.

All players drafted under Mangini. It's no coincidence that the Jets drafting became horrible once Ryan took over.

[bigbluedefense]

I don't think theyve had awful drafts though. I like some of the players they drafted.

They did a terrible job building depth and that's partly bc Tanny would move around too much in the draft to get his players. They went quality over quantity, and that's fine but you can't do it all the time bc your depth takes a major hit. And that's showing itself now 2 years later.

[Big_Pete]

The problem with the Jets is that they have invested too much money into trying to keep their core players.

Here are their top 2013 cap numbers (from sportrac.com) and the final year of their deals

David Harris: 13,000,000 (2014)
Mark Sanchez: 12,853,125 (2016)
Santonio Holmes: 12,500,000 (2015)
Antonio Cromartie: 10,750,000 (2014)
D'Brickashaw Ferguson: 10,716,667 (2017)
Nick Mangold: 9,117,100 (2017)
Darrelle Revis: 9,000,000 (2013)
Sione Pouha: 6,166,667 (2014)

thats $84.1m out of their cap invested in these 7 players.

The way most of these are structured and the long term commitment, there isn't really much wiggle room.

Revis for example wants his payday next year, the franchise is simply unable to do it, hence why Revis is on the trade block.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets were quietly shopping David Harris as well. It is going to take time to redress the cap situation.

[Monomach]

Titans signed George Wilson. Expected to start at SS (obviously). Smart.

[Pit Bull #53]

Wilson may not be a star, but he gives us 2 things that our defense has absolutely zero of - steady, veteran leadership and good tackling.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by Monomach

Titans signed George Wilson. Expected to start at SS (obviously). Smart.

I wish the Cowboys had cap space to make signings like this. I admired his game a lot last year, and while he's not a pro bowl type talent he's very smart and instinctive and felt he would have been great with our defensive change. Then again we obviously don't value Safeties.

[Bengals78]

I really wanted Wilson in Cincy. Sad panda.

[Rob S]

Originally Posted by Monomach

Titans signed George Wilson. Expected to start at SS (obviously). Smart.

Good signing and an absolutely great guy as well. You'll love him.

[Hines]

Looks like Breaston to Steelers is about to happen:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ja...r-for-steelers

[vidae]

Originally Posted by Hines

Looks like Breaston to Steelers is about to happen:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ja...r-for-steelers

Great signing and makes a lot of sense with Haley being there. I wish he could have contributed more here in KC, but lack of competent QB play and the worst OC in the history of the NFL screwed him.

[thetedginnshow]

Not FA, but

Originally Posted by Jason La Canfora

The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively complete. Can't be finalized til league year begins 3/12

[vidae]

Please don't be the Chiefs. Please don't be the Chiefs.

[VernonLawson89]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

so it's not official, both clubs view it at as it's effectively done. I do not know the other team. KC and JAX are 2 teams that make sense

[b316]

Originally Posted by vidae

Please don't be the Chiefs. Please don't be the Chiefs.

Its the Chiefs and they will still pick Geno. After watching the combine and hearing more about him, I do not see how they pass up a gym rat Qb.

I wasn't sure at first but they will not pass him up.

This is Andy Reid who likes to have 2 capable qbs at all time. He will get Geno to earn the spot and not just hand it over to him. Andy also knows he is going to have to work with Geno to call plays, run the huddle and take snaps underneath, so why push him in if not ready. Its a good stop gap situation.

[Splat]

If it's no more than a 4th I would be fine with it being the Chiefs. Even if they take a QB in the first two rounds they still need a vet.

There isn't a QB on the current roster that should be there next season.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by bhaarat316

Its the Chiefs and they will still pick Geno. After watching the combine and hearing more about him, I do not see how they pass up a gym rat Qb.

I wasn't sure at first but they will not pass him up.

This is Andy Reid who likes to have 2 capable qbs at all time. He will get Geno to earn the spot and not just hand it over to him. Andy also knows he is going to have to work with Geno to call plays, run the huddle and take snaps underneath, so why push him in if not ready. Its a good stop gap situation.

Originally Posted by Splat

If it's no more than a 4th I would be fine with it being the Chiefs. Even if they take a QB in the first two rounds they still need a vet.

There isn't a QB on the current roster that should be there next season.

I don't see Alex Smith coming here to be a backup. I just don't.

[Monomach]

Originally Posted by vidae

Please don't be the Chiefs. Please don't be the Chiefs.

My source says it's the Chiefs for #34. A condition of the trade was a 4 year extension with 14m guaranteed.

[VernonLawson89]

Chris Wesseling ‏@ChrisWesseling

What we learned Sunday from @greggrosenthal: Everywhere I go, I hear that the Alex Smith-to-KC deal is all but done

[VernonLawson89]

Chris Wesseling ‏@ChrisWesseling

What we learned Sunday from @greggrosenthal: Everywhere I go, I hear that the Alex Smith-to-KC deal is all but done