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Old 02-25-2013, 02:27 PM    (permalink
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People are underrating Te'o.
I really don't think so. If Te'o played at Washington State or Kansas, this would have been who we thought he was all the whole time: a medium-skill linebacker with dubious agility who struggles to shed blocks. Second day kind of guy; two down player.

What you're seeing is the shine coming off that was put there by the Notre Dame/ESPN hype machine.
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Old 02-25-2013, 02:29 PM    (permalink
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He could easily crack the top-10 all time. In fact, I'd be surprised if he doesn't before it's over.

Hard to be disappointed with top-10 all time.
No he can't.

Sack #s naturally are going up bc of the passing era we are in. So sack #s are not the end all of the discussion. Peppers is a fringe HOF player when he hangs it up. That's not top 10 pass rusher of all time material.
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I thought that was Harbaugh watching Hankins. A good lawyer would have a field day with that clip.

I was unaware Ha kins entered the draft. For me, he's in contention for #1 DT/NG. Right in the group of Richardson, Floyd and Spence.
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As a FSU fan, never realized how much love there was for Tank.
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I really don't think so. If Te'o played at Washington State or Kansas, this would have been who we thought he was all the whole time: a medium-skill linebacker with dubious agility who struggles to shed blocks. Second day kind of guy, two down player.

What you're seeing is the shine coming off that was put there by the Notre Dame/ESPN hype machine.
No, I've always projected him as a late 1st-2nd rounder. I think Kevin Minter and Arthur Brown are significantly better. But these guys coming out now saying Te'o is free falling? please.
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Jamie Collins is crazy.
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I really don't think so. If Te'o played at Washington State or Kansas, this would have been who we thought he was all the whole time: a medium-skill linebacker with dubious agility who struggles to shed blocks. Second day kind of guy; two down player.

What you're seeing is the shine coming off that was put there by the Notre Dame/ESPN hype machine.

I know all about the ND and ESPN/SEC network hype. It still doesn't change the fact that he is a smart, instinctive, game changing LB.
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Jamie Collins is crazy.
Had a feeling this kid might test well. Definitely an impressive athlete. Third day sleeper.
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I think a lot of it has come after the end of the season.
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i wouldnt mind picking jamie collins in the third with his production and film
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Let's see how the next 3+ years progress. I will bet good money that Graham and Morgan actually outplay JPP going forward and we look back on 2011 as a completely flukey year for JPP.
I will take that bet everyday of the week, and twice on sundays.
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I know all about the ND and ESPN/SEC network hype. It still doesn't change the fact that he is a smart, instinctive, game changing LB.
Smart and instinctive? Sure, that's the good part. Game changing? Absolutely not.

He's Rey Maualuga, A.J. Hawk, James Laurinitis, etc.

Those are players you can use, and players who can help your team, but not players you should really get excited about.
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People are underrating Te'o.

2 months ago 90% of this board: ER MAH GERD!! Manti! top 8 pick? Luke? who? dude Te'o is a way better prospect!!

Now 90% of this forum: Errrr Te'o is pooh. Told you all!!
If you can find a post where I ever claimed Te'o was worth more than a third round pick, you're a magician. :P
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Peppers at age 32 has 111.5 sacks and will probably play for at least 2-3 more years.

Right now he's #18 all time on the sack leaderboard, and again, he will play at least 2-3 more years.

I think this guy will be a Hall of Fame player before it's over. Motor issues were highly overstated re: Peppers.

I would bet good money that he will finish his career with more sacks than Jason Pierre Paul will have in his career when they're both done.
As a Panthers fan I can tell you they weren't.

He turned up for the big games when the spotlight was on him. The rest of the time he played at about 60-70%.
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I think a lot of it has come after the end of the season.
Not for me. I've followed Carradine ever since I was hyping him up as an Illini commit. People thought I was I was crazy. I was very disappointed when he went JUCO because I knew chances were he would never be an Illini. This does not surprise me at all.
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Yea he's probably one of the greatest football players of all time that doesn't actually care about football.
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Smart and instinctive? Sure, that's the good part. Game changing? Absolutely not.

He's Rey Maualuga, A.J. Hawk, James Laurinitis, etc.

Those are players you can use, and players who can help your team, but not players you should really get excited about.
I don't agree. I like Te'o a lot more as a overall player than any of those guys. He may not have great long speed but his elite quickness and fluidity make up for, and overcome that. Throw his instincts in and it makes it even less of an issue. I don't know how he is handling things in his head, but I think he can be a Pro Bowler fairly soon, possibly off the bat.
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Cornelius Washington can come get his award for best offseason now.
Cornellius Washington or Terron Armstead?
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