The Kansas City Chiefs Select... - Page 57

Monomach · 02-25-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AcheTen

huh? Don't the Bears already have a Pro Bowl QB for years to come?

You're really not all that good at trolling.

Iamcanadian · 02-25-2013, 07:30 PM

I really think KC is trying hard to trade the pick but their chances seem pretty slim to me. I don't think they love Smith and I suspect they are trying to generate interest for Joeckel but with 2 other solid LT prospects, their chances look to be dead in the water. Finding a trading partner looks fairly difficult IMO.

Brothgar · 02-25-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

You're really not all that good at trolling.

He wasn't? Stafford > Cutler > Flacco.

Monomach · 02-25-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brothgar

He wasn't? Stafford > Cutler > Flacco.

nepg · 02-26-2013, 10:20 AM

Dee Milliner should be the pick if it's not Geno. I hadn't been putting him up there, but have said that he makes the most sense after Star Lotulelei before. I thought he was a lot slower than he turned out to be in shorts. When I watched him play, it always seemed like his ability to stay with receivers had more to do with technique than raw speed. Turns out he has both, and that makes him truly elite.

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Originally Posted by ChiFan24

So Johnson and Fisher being really good prospects makes a LT less likely at #1. That makes sense.

It doesn't have to do with those other two. Just Joeckel.

gpngc · 02-26-2013, 10:24 AM

I've been high on Milliner for a while and suggested him a while back.

I believe if they re-sign Albert, Milliner or Floyd will be the pick. Either at No. 1 or on a trade-down.

AcheTen · 02-26-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

You're scoffing now but Cutler could easily be a top-5 QB in the right system.

I wouldn't be surprised if he explodes in a new (more competent) system under Trestman.

nepg · 02-26-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gpngc

I've been high on Milliner for a while and suggested him a while back.

I believe if they re-sign Albert, Milliner or Floyd will be the pick. Either at No. 1 or on a trade-down.

With Floyd, he's probably going to slide. DeCastro was considered possibly the best player in last year's draft after Luck & RG3. Warmack might not be as good as DeCastro and DeCastro fell pretty far. The bottom line is he's a guard.

vidae · 02-26-2013, 10:28 AM

A lot will depend on what the Chiefs do in free agency. I'm hoping they keep Albert/Bowe/Colquitt in house. That would be a great start.

Oh, and I hope they keep Alex Smith the hell away from this team.

gpngc · 02-26-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nepg

With Floyd, he's probably going to slide. DeCastro was considered possibly the best player in last year's draft after Luck & RG3. Warmack might not be as good as DeCastro and DeCastro fell pretty far. The bottom line is he's a guard.

Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida.

I know Sapp went nuts about not moving him to 5, but he can play 3 on third down and has the disposition to make an impact at 5 on first and second down. Florida used him everywhere.

nepg · 02-26-2013, 10:39 AM

Oh. I thought you meant Warmack, whose first name is actually Chance

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Could be Sharrif Floyd. He doesn't inspire me, but NFL scouts have been fawning over him.

findthedr · 02-26-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nepg

Dee Milliner should be the pick if it's not Geno

no CB has ever gone #1 overall. The last (and only time) a defensive back went #1 was in 1957 and he didnt live up to expectations.

Yes Milliner is fast and has good technique, but he has limited starting experience, and isnt experienced in the backpedal (just like other grads from his campus). He looked stiff when displaying the backpedal and sinking his hips at the combine.

gpngc · 02-26-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by findthedr

no CB has ever gone #1 overall. The last (and only time) a defensive back went #1 was in 1957 and he didnt live up to expectations.

Yes Milliner is fast and has good technique, but he has limited starting experience, and isnt experienced in the backpedal (just like other grads from his campus). He looked stiff when displaying the backpedal and sinking his hips at the combine.

This doesn't matter.

A) He was the number one DB recruit coming out of high school. He can backpedal.

B) The straight backpedal is only important in quarters and off coverage - the two least played and typically least consequential coverages used. And even then he may backpedal 5 to 10 yards at the most and then it's break on the ball or open your hips and run with the receiver.

DBs make their money in press, press bail, cover 3, and cover 2. None of which need the traditional backpedal in the high school sense.

gpngc · 02-26-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by findthedr

no CB has ever gone #1 overall. The last (and only time) a defensive back went #1 was in 1957 and he didnt live up to expectations.

Yes Milliner is fast and has good technique, but he has limited starting experience, and isnt experienced in the backpedal (just like other grads from his campus). He looked stiff when displaying the backpedal and sinking his hips at the combine.

This is an interesting nugget. But all draft classes are not created equal.

This year it's an unprecedented situation with no QBs, WRs, or RBs worth the first pick, and really no elite blue-chip prospects. Now the top two defensive players have medical issues. And the Chiefs are an unusual No. 1 team with no need at pass rusher.

Yes a CB (or OG) is unprecendtented at No. 1. But so is this situation. It's not like every year those positions are suggested for No. 1. It's just the way this class has shaped up. I don't think the people suggesting it are being ridiculous even though it's really never happened.

findthedr · 02-26-2013, 10:52 AM

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This doesn't matter.

all nice points. The fact is that you dont build a franchise around a CB. You build your franchise around a QB or someone who can get to the qb.

Qbs can just throw away from him (much like Revis) at the very least. If you have a strong passrush, than you dont need elite defensive backs (though the chiefs already have Eric Berry and Brandon Flowers).

If you dont have a strong pass rush, than your cbs will get burned because they cant cover forever.

gpngc · 02-26-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by findthedr

all nice points. The fact is that you dont build a franchise around a CB. You build your franchise around a QB or someone who can get to the qb.

Qbs can just throw away from him (much like Revis) at the very least. If you have a strong passrush, than you dont need elite defensive backs (though the chiefs already have Eric Berry and Brandon Flowers).

If you dont have a strong pass rush, than your cbs will get burned because they cant cover forever.

I'd look at it like this. The draft isn't always about addressing weaknesses - it can also be about building upon a strength.

As you mention, the Chiefs have Flowers. Adding Milliner would give them a scary duo and if Milliner works out, Flowers could see a lot of action and opportunities to make plays. Same with Berry. Add in the edge rushers and the Chiefs pass D looks like a strength on paper.

findthedr · 02-26-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gpngc

This is an interesting nugget. But all draft classes are not created equal.

This year it's an unprecedented situation with.. really no elite blue-chip prospects.

than you get the guy who will make the most impact on your team. In the chiefs case, that is a QB.

nepg · 02-26-2013, 11:00 AM

The Chiefs are in a unique situation. Milliner makes them a really hard team to throw on with Flowers, Berry, Lewis (if he's not injured), and Arenas (who really stepped up last year) to go along with two elite pass rushers and one of the best ILBs in the NFL.

I think CB #1 previously had more to do with the contracts that were being given out. Also, there's tended to be at least a couple elite prospects at premium positions every time a high end corner has been in a draft (see: 1989, 1998, 1999).

Milliner pretty much has a clear path to the #1 pick if the Chiefs don't like Geno Smith, imo.

nepg · 02-26-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by findthedr

than you get the guy who will make the most impact on your team. In the chiefs case, that is a QB.

The argument is Milliner would make the biggest impact and is possibly the BPA if the Chiefs decide to not take a QB.

gpngc · 02-26-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by findthedr

than you get the guy who will make the most impact on your team. In the chiefs case, that is a QB.

This entire thread discusses the QB situation over and over again.

It's come down to this:

All reports indicate no QB is worth the first pick, the Chiefs aren't taking one at 1/1, none have separated themselves, and 3 or 4 or the top guys will be available later in the first for the Chiefs to trade up for or wait until 34.

Obviously Reid could fall in love. But that looks very, very doubtful.

All of my posts have come under the assumption that they will not go QB and never really considered it at 1/1.

vidae · 02-26-2013, 11:18 AM

The most annoying part of this thread is where people say what is and is not happening. You have no idea. None of us do. It's February and the combine isn't even over. No pro-days, no official visits yet. Calm it down.

gpngc · 02-26-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by vidae

The most annoying part of this thread is where people say what are and are not happening. You have no idea. None of us do. It's February and the combine isn't even over. No pro-days, no official visits yet. Calm it down.

You mean people are making predictions in a thread with "..." at the end?

prock · 02-26-2013, 12:03 PM

This is the hardest #1 overall I've ever tried to predict.

bitonti · 02-26-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by prock

This is the hardest #1 overall I've ever tried to predict.

dont overthink it. It's probably gonna be Joeckel. safe pick at a position of need (after Albert signs with Chicago for a bazillion dollars). Geno is a possibility due to need but he's not safe enough for 1 overall. (and an Alex Smith or Nick Foles trade lessens the urgency of that need)

vidae · 02-26-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bitonti

dont overthink it. It's probably gonna be Joeckel. safe pick at a position of need (after Albert signs with Chicago for a bazillion dollars). Geno is a possibility due to need but he's not safe enough for 1 overall. (and an Alex Smith or Nick Foles trade lessens the urgency of that need)

Incorrect. So incorrect.