Dee Milliner vs. Morris Claiborne - Page 2

FUNBUNCHER · 02-26-2013, 10:40 AM

Anyone worried about Milliner's ball skills??? He didn't really create turnovers at Alabama, and I don't think he caught a single ball at the combine.

How high would you draft the ideal corner but knew he had the ball skills of an offensive tackle???

AcheTen · 02-26-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Anyone worried about Milliner's ball skills??? He didn't really create turnovers at Alabama, and I don't think he caught a single ball at the combine.

How high would you draft the ideal corner but knew he had the ball skills of an offensive tackle???

You basically just described Terrance Newman as a prospect, right?

The Cowboys took him top-5?

JRTPlaya21 · 02-26-2013, 11:02 AM

I saw Milliner catch all the balls in the last drill. This is with a torn labrum that's getting operated on in March.

Monomach · 02-26-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Anyone worried about Milliner's ball skills??? He didn't really create turnovers at Alabama, and I don't think he caught a single ball at the combine.

How high would you draft the ideal corner but knew he had the ball skills of an offensive tackle???

He had 20 PBUs last season. He gets his hand on the ball plenty often. All that matters for me.

P-L · 02-26-2013, 11:12 AM

6 INT and 34 PBU in his career is not bad at all.

FUNBUNCHER · 02-26-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

He had 20 PBUs last season. He gets his hand on the ball plenty often. All that matters for me.

Yeah, but that's what I'm getting at. That's why I compared Milliner to Carlos ROgers in another thread.

In Washington Rogers had both hands on obvious INTs at least once a game. He just couldn't catch, until he got his eyes checked out in SF and was given contacts.

Just something I noticed. I wonder if Milliner has the 'yips' for a corner, or if he actually has a difficult time tracking the football in the air.

gpngc · 02-26-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Yeah, but that's what I'm getting at. That's why I compared Milliner to Carlos ROgers in another thread.

In Washington Rogers had both hands on obvious INTs at least once a game. He just couldn't catch, until he got his eyes checked out in SF and was given contacts.

Just something I noticed. I wonder if Milliner has the 'yips' for a corner, or if he actually has a difficult time tracking the football in the air.

That's not a bad point. I do remember the Eifert play on the first drive of the NCG. But deep down the field with no safety help is way different.

TheFinisher · 02-26-2013, 11:33 AM

whoops wrong thread..

Cigaro · 02-26-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Yeah, but that's what I'm getting at. That's why I compared Milliner to Carlos ROgers in another thread.

In Washington Rogers had both hands on obvious INTs at least once a game. He just couldn't catch, until he got his eyes checked out in SF and was given contacts.

Just something I noticed. I wonder if Milliner has the 'yips' for a corner, or if he actually has a difficult time tracking the football in the air.

Not being able to catch in no way implies he can't track the football. His numerous pass breakups indicate he can do just that. He simply may not have good hands. While I'd love for my corner to pick off passes, if he's nonetheless shutting down the receiver he's doing his job. But let's not be dramatic about interception skills also, as he did force some throughout his career at Alabama. He may not be an interception machine, but he's still a damn good cornerback.

Monomach · 02-26-2013, 11:42 AM

A guy who swats a lot of balls and locks down his man > a guy who gambles a lot for 5 or 6 turnovers a year and occasionally gets burned

Iamcanadian · 02-26-2013, 11:58 AM

I think Milliner, Trufant and Rhodes answered all questions about their speed and ability to play man defense. Milliner likely goes to Detroit at #5.

BallerT1215 · 02-26-2013, 02:15 PM

I think Milliner is definitely a #1 CB in the NFL.

But I'm still going Claiborne.

JHL6719 · 02-26-2013, 03:12 PM

Alphonso Smith had 21 INT's in 4 years at Wake Forest. What's he doing now?

BallerT1215 · 02-26-2013, 03:35 PM

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Alphonso Smith had 21 INT's in 4 years at Wake Forest. What's he doing now?

One of the guys that got abused because of his size. Still thought he would have worked out bettter in the NFL.

bucfan12 · 02-26-2013, 04:35 PM

I think Rhodes is better and probably the best cb in the draft. Glad to know when Tampa takes Rhodes at 13 they get te best guy.

Robbieb7 · 02-26-2013, 04:43 PM

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I think Rhodes is better and probably the best cb in the draft. Glad to know when Tampa takes Rhodes at 13 they get te best guy.

Rhodes over Milliner?

Attyla the Hawk · 02-26-2013, 05:17 PM

Claiborne. Although Milliner is not unworthy of the #5 overall.

Claiborne would have been higher were it not for exceptional elite talent at positions of paramount importance (QB/LT).

Cleveland wasn't in play for CB help. Jacksonville moved up specifically to take a WR. If Milliner is taken at #5, it doesn't mean he was better than Claiborne at #6 last year.

SenorGato · 02-26-2013, 05:43 PM

Total tossup for me, but probably Claiborne by a hair.

rawdawg · 02-26-2013, 09:29 PM

Milliner kinda looks like Claiborne in the drills (just now watching). A little high in his backpedal. I think Claiborne had better feet though and the ball skills aren't even in the same atmosphere.

DrewyVuitton · 02-26-2013, 09:58 PM

I see a lot of people saying they had Revis as a top 3-5 prospect over the last several years.. Did they really, or are you letting his NfL career cloud your judgement?

If Revis was such a great prospect, he would have been the 1st CB off the board no doubt. Unless I'm having a total memory lapse, didnt McKelvin get drafter before Revis?

Again, I'm speaking in just terms of being a prospect coming out.

Edit: just checked. Had my drafts mixed up. Revis was first CB off the board but at 14. I'd think he would have been top 5-10 if he were really that highly thought of as a prospect.

Funny as hell to see Ted Ginn at 9 in that draft. Oh, Cam Cameron.

K Train · 02-26-2013, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrewyVuitton

I see a lot of people saying they had Revis as a top 3-5 prospect over the last several years.. Did they really, or are you letting his NfL career cloud your judgement?

If Revis was such a great prospect, he would have been the 1st CB off the board no doubt. Unless I'm having a total memory lapse, didnt McKelvin get drafter before Revis?

Again, I'm speaking in just terms of being a prospect coming out.

Edit: just checked. Had my drafts mixed up. Revis was first CB off the board but at 14. I'd think he would have been top 5-10 if he were really that highly thought of as a prospect.

Funny as hell to see Ted Ginn at 9 in that draft. Oh, Cam Cameron.

nobody had revis that high

bigbuc · 02-26-2013, 10:20 PM

I think Milliner has the making of a top CB in the NFL. And the fact he ran in the 4.3's which Claiborne couldn't do. Sucks cause I would love to have this guy in Tampa Bay. No way in m mind does he get by the Lions at 5.

DrewyVuitton · 02-26-2013, 11:33 PM

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nobody had revis that high

I would tend to agree but if you go back to the first page of the thread a lot of people say they had Revis as an elite prospect.

IIRC, there were questions about Revis' speed and ability to stay with NFL receivers without being overly physical. Wasnt he viewed as a guy who had to be physical to be successful?

Of course those were incorrect but I really doubt anyone thought Revis had the stuff to be what he turned out to be unless you were a Pitt homer with a biased evaluation.

gpngc · 02-26-2013, 11:42 PM

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15 - PIT- Darrelle Revis
It was the Steelers, not the Seahawks, who actually suffered from a Super Bowl hangover in 2006. Failing to qualify for the postseason at 8-8, at least rookie first rounder Santonio Holmes sent head coach Bill Cowher out on top, as his overtime touchdown catch knocked the hated Bengals out of the playoffs in Week 17. Now, Pittsburgh will look to former Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin to replace the legendary Cowher. Every year it seems like the Steelers are solid in the front-seven, but lacking in the secondary. In steps hometown hero Darrelle Revis of Pitt to help sure up the CB position. Revis did not work out at the combine, but he should go in round one anyway. Revis is one of the best CB prospects in the draft. Fast and athletic, the early entry to the draft was not thrown at much as a junior at Pitt, and if you saw his punt return for touchdown against West Virginia, you know why.

Here's what I had.

No one could really predict how well he'd do because no one threw on him. He was obviously a fantastic prospect but he wasn't Patrick Peterson-in-your-face good with crazy size/speed. And it didn't help that he played at Pitt and not at a big-time school.

thetedginnshow · 02-27-2013, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DrewyVuitton

I see a lot of people saying they had Revis as a top 3-5 prospect over the last several years.. Did they really, or are you letting his NfL career cloud your judgement?

If Revis was such a great prospect, he would have been the 1st CB off the board no doubt. Unless I'm having a total memory lapse, didnt McKelvin get drafter before Revis?

Again, I'm speaking in just terms of being a prospect coming out.

Edit: just checked. Had my drafts mixed up. Revis was first CB off the board but at 14. I'd think he would have been top 5-10 if he were really that highly thought of as a prospect.

Funny as hell to see Ted Ginn at 9 in that draft. Oh, Cam Cameron.

Are you asking what scouts had him at or draftniks? Because where he goes in the draft has no real bearing on what we thought of them. Did anyone think he was going to be a HOF-caliber corner? Probably not. But I think many thought very highly of him. I know I did. And McKelvin, pre-season of that year, was in consideration for the top corner along with Revis and Leon Hall (and I'm not sure why... or well, I know why, but if people watched them, I don't know why they'd think that).

I find it funny that if people were awful in evaluating players (or the media/scout consensus was similar) they tend to believe that no one else could have gotten it right.