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Default What Exactly Happened to Nnamdi?

this question is directed to those familiar with his situation in either oakland or philly- what exactly happened to him last year? why was he so bad? Watching him on the field last year, at times it looked as if he straight up regressed, other times he looked just lost in the packages/schemes he was running.

I dont think anyone would deny that he was a top 3 corner when he was in oakland. For this reason, how could someone that good become so bad IN THEIR PRIME, and so soon?

It looks like the 49ers will have him signed by days end. if he maintains his level of play from last year, i really dont see much of an upgrade over carlos rodgers unless the team plans on utilizing him as the third corner
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He'll at least he'll have the benefit of playing around better talent. Won't have to cover his man as long.
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Was asked to play a lot of zone coverage. Had to leave the side of which he's comfortable on, was actually thrown at because there was a decent corner on the other side.

Easy to be praised and talked about as elite because no one throws at you....when in reality its only because the guy on the other side in Oakland was so bad.

There was a time that I wanted Jonathan Joeseph for the sole reason of being a quality, yet cheaper option....now I want him because hes just better than Aso.
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Aso was always a little overrated in Oakland because of the reasons listed by SickwithIt1010.

In retrospect I don't think he was ever really a top 3 corner.
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Aso was always a little overrated in Oakland because of the reasons listed by SickwithIt1010.

In retrospect I don't think he was ever really a top 3 corner.
Let's not let the last two years cloud what Aso was in Oakland. He had a 2/3 year stretch where he was absolutely unbelievable.
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He was good, but he got a lot of hype based on the sole reason that there was a big piece of **** on the other side seeing all the action. He covered one side of the field, where most of the elites go to wherever the number 1 receiver are, so while I was psyched for the signing and new we were getting a good player...he was never really asked to do a ton.
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Somewhat unrelated, but Champ is the man. Too often in sports we're quick to announce someone as the next great thing.

"The next Deion" "shut down corner"

Lets see it for more than 2/3 years. In the history of the NFL there have been a ton of players to put together a good 2/3 year stretch. Sustainability is what separates the great from the good.

If Revis never returns to the level he was at and Sherman goes on a 3 or 4 year run, what does that say?

Sherman is going to be "that guy". Optimus Prime. "Shut down".. But for how long until the next guy comes
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Forget talking about Nnamdi.

Swoll, how can I get rid of this pesky belly fat in time for beach season?
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Sherman is overrated too. Good corner who made a lot of picks last year, has a presence against the run. But receivers have a knack for getting behind him more than they should. He's 'saved' quite a bit by the Seahawks pass rush.
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Forget talking about Nnamdi.

Swoll, how can I get rid of this pesky belly fat in time for beach season?
Insanity + protien only for a month or two will do wonders.

Judging Aso based on his time with the Eagles is similar to judging Randy Moss on his tenure with the Raiders. My guess is you will see a dramatic change once he is with his new team.
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In his role and situation he was absolutely incredible, but that was a long time ago in a very specific role.
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To me he was overrated a little on the Raiders. But also he came from playing 95% of man to man and was asked to play a lot of zone. Which he just looked lost. Also I think he should go to a Ryan coached team. NO would be a great spot. Could play his bump and run, man to man stuff.
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I think the main reason has already been stated, that is he didnt play the #1's like Champ or Revis do... he played the left side only in oakland. He didnt move, he stayed there and shut down that side. But how much good does that do if the other team just shifts their #1 to the other side...



In Philly he actually was asked to move around and cover, and he looked mediocre at best.
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I saw Aso play at least 4 games this past season, and let's drop all the zone talk. He was torched in man coverage numerous times. His total lack of awareness when the ball was in the air is alarming, that had nothing to do with the defense they were playing. Maybe he just didn't care, I'm not sure, but I do know that he was bad at just about every single thing possible last year.


He's getting looks now for the chance that he may still be able to turn into the old player, who may have been overrated. But he was never as bad as he was last year, and it's not like he's old and breaking down either.
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CBs and WRs lose speed quickly when they hit 30.

When you lose even a half-step as a CB or WR, it can have a massive effect on your ability to play the position.

Nnamdi probably lost half a step as he turned 29-30ish, and that was enough to make him basically unable to cover WRs downfield. If his jam at the line of scrimmage didn't work, he was toast.

And no, he won't be better on the 49ers. The Eagles had a better pass rush than the 49ers ever did (in 2011 for sure) and Nnamdi was still burnt often.
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He was downright horrible his first couple seasons in Oakland.

Then out of nowhere - he was the man and possibly top CB in the league.

Then as quick as he has risen, he fell even quicker in Philly.

His career as a whole has been pretty confusing and I'm not sure who the hell the real Namdi is .
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You take the best press man corner in football and say, "alright lets play some off zone," and you pretty much have your answer.
He was burnt plenty often in press man coverage as well, especially by smaller quicker guys.

As someone who has closely watched every snap of Nnamdi's time in Philadelphia, I can tell you that the he was simply a tremendous press cover corner who lost his ability to run downfield with WRs that beat his press. So in about 85% of situations, his jam worked and no completion would be possible to the WR. But in 15% of those situations when his jam didn't work, the WR was basically guaranteed a long 15+ yard play or even a TD.

The numbers back this up, too. Nnamdi gave up few receptions the last two years, but his Yards Per Catch (9.0+) numbers were obscenely high. That's the profile of a guy who doesn't get beat alot, but when he does get beat it's a big play.
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In Nnamdi's defense, he was paired with some of the worst safety play I have ever witnessed in my entire life. I put more blame for some of the big plays that happened on him on the lack of help over top. However, Nnamdi was getting paid like a corner that doesn't need help over the top, so I understand why he got axed.
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The truth is, Nmandi was never as good as people thought.

Now that's easy to say now bc of hindsight, but the signs were all there. He only played man coverage in Oakland. I'm sorry but if you can't play both man and zone, you're not a top 2 CB in the league. So that was problem number 1.

Problem #2 was he only played one side of the field. So most teams said ok, we'll just put our weapons on the other side. So he didn't cover the opposition's 1 every snap. Covering someone for 20 snaps is a lot easier than covering them for 40 snaps.

Problem # 3 was bc Oakland's other DBs were so awful teams just didn't throw at him. So it looked like he was shutting people down but it wasn't always the case.

Problem #4 is Oakland's games would very often get blacked out. So everyone is like omg he's awesome but half if not more than half of them who said that didn't even really see him play that much if ever.

Problem #5 was the AFC West. The only good qb he went against consistently was Phillip Rivers and I've seen Rivers and Jackson beat him. So that should have been a flag right there.

Problem #6 was he just got old.

So you add that up and he was more hype than substance. Now to be clear, there was a point in time when he was very good so he isn't as bad as his perception is nowadays either. But he was never the 2nd best CB in the league, that was more myth than reality.

Same way Sherman isn't the 2nd best CB in the league right now. That's a myth. That title belongs to Joe Haden. Sherman is very good, but he's not the 2nd best CB in the league.
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The truth is, Nmandi was never as good as people thought.

Now that's easy to say now bc of hindsight, but the signs were all there. He only played man coverage in Oakland. I'm sorry but if you can't play both man and zone, you're not a top 2 CB in the league. So that was problem number 1.

Problem #2 was he only played one side of the field. So most teams said ok, we'll just put our weapons on the other side. So he didn't cover the opposition's 1 every snap. Covering someone for 20 snaps is a lot easier than covering them for 40 snaps.

Problem # 3 was bc Oakland's other DBs were so awful teams just didn't throw at him. So it looked like he was shutting people down but it wasn't always the case.

Problem #4 is Oakland's games would very often get blacked out. So everyone is like omg he's awesome but half if not more than half of them who said that didn't even really see him play that much if ever.

Problem #5 was the AFC West. The only good qb he went against consistently was Phillip Rivers and I've seen Rivers and Jackson beat him. So that should have been a flag right there.

Problem #6 was he just got old.

So you add that up and he was more hype than substance. Now to be clear, there was a point in time when he was very good so he isn't as bad as his perception is nowadays either. But he was never the 2nd best CB in the league, that was more myth than reality.

Same way Sherman isn't the 2nd best CB in the league right now. That's a myth. That title belongs to Joe Haden. Sherman is very good, but he's not the 2nd best CB in the league.
So sure on that #2 CB???

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