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Old 01-28-2013, 12:18 PM    (permalink
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I hope we aren't giving up high picks for Mallett, he is totally immobile in the pocket and IMO, Weedon is still a viable starter till he proves otherwise. We just have too many holes to be giving up picks.
I like your draft a lot but after the Senior Bowl, Washington likely won't last till round 7.
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I hope we aren't giving up high picks for Mallett, he is totally immobile in the pocket and IMO, Weedon is still a viable starter till he proves otherwise. We just have too many holes to be giving up picks.
I like your draft a lot but after the Senior Bowl, Washington likely won't last till round 7.
I can't take anything you write seriously when you can't even spell Weeden right.
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I can't take anything you write seriously when you can't even spell Weeden right.
Spelling isn't my strong point to say the least but what has that got to do with content.
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Breakdown of the defense Horton inherits.

Front 7
We've got an interesting situation upfront. Rucker is the teams' best run defender-it's the primary reason we signed him. Winn might be the most athletic of the group and played the "5" at Boise. Rubin's strength is keeping himself free and getting to the ball-he does that better then any other interior player in the league. As a NT, he wasn't a Casey Hampton style who controls blockers and doesn't give up ground. Taylor's strength isn't controlling lineman either, it's using his size and athletic ability to disrupt. Both Rubin and Taylor move well for their size but not as well as Rucker and Winn. But, after watching how well Rubin and Taylor played together against the Redskins to shut down one of the leagues best running games, a case can be made for each to start.

4 starting caliber DE is a good problem-and two of them can slide over to the nose. Between our young DTs, I thought Hughes flashed the most impressive run defending ability. Judging by his college tape and how he played his first year, he's the best nose we have. Kitchen brings up the rear of this group, which is saying something. He looked decent for a practice squad type. If Winn can become a consistent inside rusher, this is a perfect group.

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The LBs are not as lacking as has been made. By all accounts, Gocong is making a solid recovery and should be in the mix by training camp. Obviously, he and DQ know the 34. They're likely the favorites to start at LILB & RILB. JMJ, more familiar with the 34 then the 43 and L.J. Fort back them up. But the most intriguing guy is Robertson. He showed a lot of promise last season. Initially, he doesn't look like a good scheme fit but one of his strengths is attacking down hill-shooting gaps and blitzing, which is perfect for Horton's scheme. If he learns to play with ideal leverage and adds some strength, he's a surprise starter inside.

Sheard was viewed as a hybrid end coming out of Pitt. I think it was a slight surprise that a 43 defensive team drafted him-even more that he starts at LE. In the 34 at LOLB I think he looks something like Jarret Johnson, Calvin Pace. Now, that's not exactly following the type that the Steelers/Cardinals use and the preferred type of Horton, but it's fine for the mixed scheme he proposes to run. We'll see.

Although Maiava was drafted to be a 34 ILB, it's a safe bet he isn't resigned. Parker's not a good fit at OLB even though he was a solid pass rush specialist. Emmanuel Stephens is interesting-he certainly fits more as a hybrid DE/OLB then 43 DE, but he's still a fringe player. Carder's not a good fit and is also a fringe guy. That leaves a great big hole at ROLB and no depth there as well. That's why the first pick in the draft is 99% assured of being a OLB/DE. I think we'll also sign a FA there for depth but I'm skeptical we'll go after a big money guy like Anthony Spencer-if he'll even end up available. His teammate Vic Butler, though, could be in our sights.

Secondary
If we do spend some cash in FA, I think it'll be in the secondary. You can't run a great attacking D without great man coverage. Read recently that the Steelers will let their free agents test the market; therefore the list goes...

1. Keenan Lewis
2. Brent Grimes
3. Laron Landry
4. William Moore
5. Dashon Goldson
6. Kenny Phillips
7. Greg Toler
8. Sean Smith
9. Louis Delmas
10. Cary Williams
11. DRC
12. Antone Cason
13. Bradley Fletcher

After Haden our best guy is aging Sheldon. He really played pretty well last year but Banner traded him 3 years ago-he's got no chance of resigning now, even as a safety. I kind of like Skrine. He's steadily improving-but as yet he hasn't proven he can be more then a nickel. A couple of the guys brought up last year have real growth potential-Bademosi & Gipson-I'd like to see at least one stick.
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Typical Cleveland Browns garbage. Cutting quallity talent just because we can. Sure he is over paid for a quality depth guy, but unless we plan on signing 4 big time free agents we have more than enough money to over pay a backup this season. Guy may not be the best fit for the 34 defense but most depth guys in a 34 are not great fits. He is listed at 275 but is clearly over 280 and right around the same size as Justin Smith. He would be a perfect fit to get smaller and quicker on obvious passing downs instead of our 300+ DEs.

Cleveland does this garbage ever year the cut quality players and replace them with other quality players. The problem is that you never build depth when you are trying to trade up at a position instead of adding to the pile. We had more than enough money to keep him and add more talent to a clearly talent depleted team.
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I've got to agree. I thought Frostee would make a decent 34 DE. He's always been a tweener DE/DT and his strength is run defense-he was the most consistent run defender on the line.
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Typical Cleveland Browns garbage. Cutting quallity talent just because we can. Sure he is over paid for a quality depth guy, but unless we plan on signing 4 big time free agents we have more than enough money to over pay a backup this season. Guy may not be the best fit for the 34 defense but most depth guys in a 34 are not great fits. He is listed at 275 but is clearly over 280 and right around the same size as Justin Smith. He would be a perfect fit to get smaller and quicker on obvious passing downs instead of our 300+ DEs.

Cleveland does this garbage ever year the cut quality players and replace them with other quality players. The problem is that you never build depth when you are trying to trade up at a position instead of adding to the pile. We had more than enough money to keep him and add more talent to a clearly talent depleted team.
Unfortunately, GM's know all too well, that if they cannot produce an immediate winner, showing a large profit is the best way to keep their jobs and backups on a losing team always tend to be rookies as a result. That's why we have such a large cap # available and again unfortunately, the GM may choose to keep it large until he believes we are truly ready to compete.
Once he believes strongly enough then he knows he will have the money to add the final pieces, why waste it now just for a win or 2 more and have no money later when we will need to find a few pieces to the final puzzle.
Sacrifice now for a better future and we won't have a better future till we know we have a franchise QB who can produce. Until then it will always be more of the same.
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Hired Ray Farmer from KC to be an assistant GM.

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My free agent wish list:


Keenan Lewis /CB/ 6'1 208 /UFA Steelers (26)
2nd most passes def in league last season (23) behind behind all pro Rich Sherman (24). Nagging injuries late in the season slowed him but he didn't miss a start. Drafted 3rd round 09' when Horton was the DB coach.

Denario Alexander /WR/ 6'5 217 /RFA Chargers (24)
In 3 games vs the AFC North last season, he went 18 - 264 - 2TDs (both vs Steelers). Played like a #1 guy in Norv's offense with Rivers. Used down-field but was also their best yac guy with short screens/reverses/quick slants and gadget plays. (one nice throw) He's a RFA but he was originally an UFA in 09', which means the Chargers would have to offer a 2nd round tender to him, and he'd have to accept, for them to get any compensation for him if another team signs him. After a mini breakout in Norv's offense, it might be in his best interest to follow him to Cleveland rather then learn another new offense in SD. The chronic bad knee is a serious issue but I think it's a worthwhile risk/reward situation.

Fred Davis /TE/ 6'4 247 /UFA Redskins (27)
Prior to RG3, the best player on the Redskins offense and franchised in 11'. Carries some off field incidents-suspended for remainder of his breakout season in 11' after a second failed drug test and coming off a serious injury which might make him a bargain for his talent level. Recently made a public remark that he'd love to play for his hometown Browns-can't hurt.

Drew Stanton /QB/ 6'3 243 /UFA Colts (28)
If Lombardi and Banner are looking to avoid drafting a QB in13' but still want someone that can push Weeden, I'd rather go Stanton then anyone else, especially rumored Matt Moore. Stanton has a solid arm, mobility and just hasn't ever been in a situation where he could compete to be a starter.
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We've been in contact with paul kruger's agent. Also, I guess we've got interest in Myers from Oakland? (TE).

I like Myers - above average blocking and can separation. If Cameron continues his development well they can be a nice little duo. Cudders described the potential success of having two good TEs on the field together: You can do a lot with your formations such as putting them in motion, splitting them out to wide receiver, motioning into a TE stance, etc.

I'm not particularly excited about a draft handled by Lombardi but I am excited to see what Norv can do with our personnel. Likewise with Horton.

Honestly though, positions I want to see addressed without question are the guards. We need dudes that can get an actual push, not just stand in the way.
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Well, it appears the Browns have made their moves in the free agent market, barring a few more peripheral signings.

I canít be too critical of Banner and Lombardiís first class together. Sure, we might have ďoverpaidĒ, but thatís the nature of the beast. In an open market, Cleveland needs to offer a stronger financial package to compensate for their lack of locale and recent contendership. Itís their selling point. I just hope the contracts are flexible and structured well in case the team needs to get out from under them. Which, given Bannerís shrewd past, Iím positive that potential exists.

Paul Kruger to the Browns was almost assured once the period opened, but I was surprised at the terms. I figured the premium wouldíve been a little higher. Kruger is what he is. A good pass-rushing linebacker with run-stopping deficiencies. Even though his sack numbers werenít dazzling, he still racked up 55 quarterback pressures last season, which led the Ravens. Those can create splashes and, more and more, thatís how modern defense is being measured. Love his attitude and mindset, too. He said his focus is becoming a complete defender. Often these big-ticket free agents press to impress. Being a well-rounded linebacker isnít what gets recognition, but itís easier than hitting high sack benchmarks from season-to-season. The bottom-line is the Browns needed a pass rusher. Banner and Lombardi targeted the best available and paid the requisite price. Do I wish he was a better edge-setter? Sure, but weíve also got a line of wide bodies to ease his burden somewhat.

Desmond Bryant wasnít expected, but itís a pleasant addition. Defensive line depth is critical. Bryant adds first-unit quality and makes our team deeper in the trenches for those physical divisional battles. In this case, the price tag was loftier than expected, but his blend of size, strength, and suddenness is quite covetable in the NFL and fits Hortonís profile. To be honest, I didnít watch a whole lot of the Raiders last season, but he was one of two defensive lineman that ďpoppedĒ most to me when I did. Plus, heís versatile. I expect him to start at end in base situations and kick inside for passing downs as another productive pass rusher.

Quentin Groves is a signing with some sneakiness. Heís a pass-rushing specialist that experienced the best ball of his pro career under Horton in Arizona last season. Heís a low-cost, sub-package defender. Perfect depth signing.

As far as ďmissesĒ go, Iím a little disappointed we didnít get involved in the defensive back market. I think thatís a valid concern and there were some interesting free agents available. I was a big-time supporter of signing Phillips from the Giants as a centerfielder, but his knees must be shot. Minimal interest, no long-term offers, etc. Itís a shame. His length, range, and zone awareness made him an ideal complement to Ward. Thought Keenan Lewis, Chris Houston, and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie were all intriguing options as a number two corner at $5 million per. Still wouldnít mind a stopgap guard that gets push in the running game either. I would even be willing to sacrifice some pass protection for it. Our guards are shield blockers. I would love a drive blocker on the inside.

Oh, and re-sign Captain Phil. I havenít seen much interest in him elsewhere. He shouldnít command a large hold and weíre still sitting on well over $30 million in cap space. I donít expect him to replicate a career season, but heís been as consistent as kickers get and a consummate club servant. I havenít heard his demands though.

If one more big bit of business gets done during the off-season, it just might involve Mallett. Rumors still have the Browns and Buccaneers pegged as suitors. The Browns donít have a second-round pick. The Buccaneers have a pending deal for Revis. That means the structure of a deal needs to be creative. If the Patriots arenít interested in a third-rounder or futures, the most enticing and likeliest alternative is swapping picks in the first. From a personal standpoint, I might have a principle deal on the backburner if I liked some options in that range, but I wouldnít pull the trigger on it until the draft. Keep all options open.

Looking ahead, itís hard to shortlist our needs for the draft. In no order, on the offensive side of the ball, I could see QB, WR, TE, and OG with potential mid-to-late round needs at RB and FB. On the defensive side of the ball, I could see OLB, ILB, CB, and FS. Wouldnít mind a punter either. But, given the needs addressed and the needs ignored, I would guess Dee Milliner is the front officeís first choice. Not his biggest fan, but it makes sense from a need perspective and Horton would love the aggressiveness. If we trade up though, I just might lose it.
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I really don't like what we did, what's the hurry? Unless, they believe Weeden is our franchise QB, we aren't going anywhere soon. These signing are just soaking up our cap $$$'s when we cannot really complete for a championship. Smart teams make their serious move when they have their major pieces in place, namely a true franchise QB.

Without a franchise QB, our limit is about 7 wins, no matter how many FA's we sign and I just worried that in a year or 2 when we hopefully find a great QB, we'll have no cap money to fill in around him. These signing are all for show IMO, to show that the owner will spend money to make the team better, but I feel it is the wrong year to do it.

The cap was flat this year and will likely be flat for awhile, which is why there are so many solid pros available in FA, I've never seen a FA crop like this one and it is because of the minimal cap increase, unheard of in the last decade and it will continue next year for sure.
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I really don't like what we did, what's the hurry? Unless, they believe Weedon is our franchise QB, we aren't going anywhere soon. These signing are just soaking up our cap $$$'s when we cannot really complete for a championship. Smart teams make their serious move when they have their major pieces in place, namely a true franchise QB.

Without a franchise QB, our limit is about 7 wins, no matter how many FA's we sign and I just worried that in a year or 2 when we hopefully find a great QB, we'll have no cap money to fill in around him. These signing are all for show IMO, to show that the owner will spend money to make the team better, but I feel it is the wrong year to do it.

The cap was flat this year and will likely be flat for awhile, which is why there are so many solid pros available in FA, I've never seen a FA crop like this one and it is because of the minimal cap increase, unheard of in the last decade and it will continue next year for sure.
These arenít wasteful signings.

The terms might appear unfavorable, but Banner is a notorious conservationist when it comes to the cap. As the lead negotiator, I doubt he backed the Browns into an albatross that might hinder the teamís opportunities to improve down the road. In all likelihood, these contracts are structured with built-in escapes. Iím not the biggest fan of Joe Banner, but if thereís one place I have faith in him, itís in that area.

A pass-rushing linebacker was the clearest need for Cleveland. Starting-caliber defensive linemen and depth in that department are invaluable. We paid to get them, but thatís how open markets work. Even with the flat cap and recent additions, the Browns are better positioned than most teams. Cleveland is still one of the teams with the most cap space in the entire league.

Like I said, I donít think these moves are a stroke of genius, but I wouldnít call them unmitigated disasters either. Stagnating until a franchise quarterback just falls into our laps isnít reliable team-building either. If improvements can be made on the defensive side of the ball, improvements should be made. If an offensive piece is identified as a perfect scheme fit and part of a greater future, he shouldnít be neglected. A franchise quarterback carries critical importance for consistent contention, but I wouldnít want to bring one into a disheveled mess if it could be helped. Look at the Seahawks. Assembled a strong core and fielded a competitive outfit without a competent quarterback. Drafted Russell Wilson and their window opened in his first season. Having a good quarterback on their rookie contract is even more valuable. Youíre getting a discount at a position that demands a premium. Itís harder to earmark a finite number of dollars for a complete remodeling when an extension for a franchise quarterback is in the pipeline. Aaron Rodgersí new extension is estimated to be worth around $25 million per. And what if that particular free agent class is weak? Overspend on an inferior batch of talent?

On another note, add kicker to the list of needs. Browns didnít pursue re-signing Dawson and he joined the Niners. I wish him the best in San Francisco since heís been our talisman for so long, but I donít quite understand it from Clevelandís perspective. A short-term deal doesnít hamstring the cap and Dawsonís been one of the biggest generators of offense. Unless Haslam, Banner, and Lombardi are making a broader statement. Sending out the last survivor of the old guard.

Regardless, kicker is a need. The redzone personnel package hasnít improved. Still donít trust the offense to finish drives and that was a major weakness last season. Dawson camouflaged it somewhat.
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These arenít wasteful signings.

The terms might appear unfavorable, but Banner is a notorious conservationist when it comes to the cap. As the lead negotiator, I doubt he backed the Browns into an albatross that might hinder the teamís opportunities to improve down the road. In all likelihood, these contracts are structured with built-in escapes. Iím not the biggest fan of Joe Banner, but if thereís one place I have faith in him, itís in that area.

A pass-rushing linebacker was the clearest need for Cleveland. Starting-caliber defensive linemen and depth in that department are invaluable. We paid to get them, but thatís how open markets work. Even with the flat cap and recent additions, the Browns are better positioned than most teams. Cleveland is still one of the teams with the most cap space in the entire league.

Like I said, I donít think these moves are a stroke of genius, but I wouldnít call them unmitigated disasters either. Stagnating until a franchise quarterback just falls into our laps isnít reliable team-building either. If improvements can be made on the defensive side of the ball, improvements should be made. If an offensive piece is identified as a perfect scheme fit and part of a greater future, he shouldnít be neglected. A franchise quarterback carries critical importance for consistent contention, but I wouldnít want to bring one into a disheveled mess if it could be helped. Look at the Seahawks. Assembled a strong core and fielded a competitive outfit without a competent quarterback. Drafted Russell Wilson and their window opened in his first season. Having a good quarterback on their rookie contract is even more valuable. Youíre getting a discount at a position that demands a premium. Itís harder to earmark a finite number of dollars for a complete remodeling when an extension for a franchise quarterback is in the pipeline. Aaron Rodgersí new extension is estimated to be worth around $25 million per. And what if that particular free agent class is weak? Overspend on an inferior batch of talent?

On another note, add kicker to the list of needs. Browns didnít pursue re-signing Dawson and he joined the Niners. I wish him the best in San Francisco since heís been our talisman for so long, but I donít quite understand it from Clevelandís perspective. A short-term deal doesnít hamstring the cap and Dawsonís been one of the biggest generators of offense. Unless Haslam, Banner, and Lombardi are making a broader statement. Sending out the last survivor of the old guard.

Regardless, kicker is a need. The redzone personnel package hasnít improved. Still donít trust the offense to finish drives and that was a major weakness last season. Dawson camouflaged it somewhat.
I hope this wasn't the case; however, it's difficult to tell. It will be more apparent when players like Mack, Haden and others are on the verge of needing to be re-signed.

While I personally really like what we did in free agency it still seems as if we have some glaring holes. I don't think Chance Warmack is much of an option at 6 but perhaps a trade down would help us out and we can nab him where it's more 'appropriate.' I'm not interested in another season of seeing Pinkston just stand in the way of defenders for a moment.

I see that we're pushing for Brent Grimes. I like him but am wary of his injury. It was stated that his physical went fine but that doesn't mean he's going to be the same player - if they think he can be, great. Haden needs a partner in crime. I wouldn't mind Dee Milliner at 6.

Further, we were trying to go after Fred Davis from what's swirling in the media. I have to say I'm a bit indifferent to this one. Another injury concern there. There seems to be some solid depth at the TE position for the draft class - I wouldn't mind grabbing one in a middle round and seeing if he can challenge Cameron.

Mike could be a position of need also if D-Jax doesn't fare well in the new system. He already didn't once before; however, it was with suspect talent up front.

Should be an interesting draft this time.
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Well you have to be excited about our front seven. We have Taylor/Rubin/Bryant/Winn/Hughes/Kitchen at DT. Sheard/Kruger/Groves at OLB. Joe Thomas said Kruger was the real deal last season and that they feared him with the same respect they usually gave Terrell Suggs when they played Baltimore last year. That's an encouraging thought. Kruger is definitely an up and comer who's best football is ahead of him - something rare to find out of free agent pass rushers. Jackson and Gocong and James-Michael Johnson (who I think will be a really solid player this season and going forward) are solid at ILB. But we've seen you can have above average ILBs as long as your DL and pass rushers are outstanding.

We need to add talent to the secondary and find another stud TE and WR and the team should be pretty close to set. Of course we need to find a QB. As soon as we find our QB we will be ready to contend. That's harder said than done.

But regardless, we fixed the defense by adding two really good young players. We are almost a QB away - which is something that cannot be said about this team in the past, so be EXCITED about the moves!
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When Shurmur (rarely) when to Shotgun-hurry up... Weeden moved the chains... That excites me, especially if Chud/Turner can see that Weeden did a great job in a hurry up offense similar to the one he ran at OK State.
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I think Weeden will improve under the new offensive staff, and I love his willingness for competition, but quarterback is still the biggest need. Even with a sizeable improvement from Weeden, the gap between top-notch quarterbacking and our quarterbacking is wide. If management feels that Geno shined during their vetting process, I wouldnít mind the pick. With the signings of Kruger and Groves, an edge-rusher is tabled in all likelihood. After sitting down and watching a handful of Jordanís games, I would have loved to seen what he was capable of in an aggressive and versatile defense like Hortonís, but it isnít a pressing need and heís not guaranteed to last that long either. And, considering his blitz tendencies, I would guess Horton is comfortable with the current pressure pair. Unless Sheard is being shopped.

So, weíre looking at a cornerback, left guard, or quarterback in the first. I donít feel right about projecting Milliner as a shutdown corner. The value of a left guard in the top ten gets pinged. Quarterback might be the biggest risk, but itís also the biggest reward. Geno is a good conceptual fit. Natural arm talent, vertical willingness, precise flashes, zone-read potential, strong work ethic, and support from an offensive line. If Norv believes he can fix the mechanical issues once he gets his hands on Geno, it makes a lot of sense. But, again, heís not guaranteed to last until our pick either.

Itís a tough spot. In an ideal world, I think trading down is the best option, but I donít see the opportunities. Who wants to come up to us? For who? And from where? At that point, Iím looking at Warmack or Cooper at left guard, Eifert at tight end, Fluker at right guard, and Rhodes or Trufant at corner. We canít drop that far and keep those options. If weíre forced to pick at six, Jordan and Geno would be one and two. After that, I would favor Warmack over Milliner.

In other news, itís going to be interesting to see how Trent Richardson handles the new running back penalties. As a compact runner, Richardson lowered his head quite a bit to generate power and finish runs. I understand the rule is exclusive to the crown of the helmet, but thatís such a subjective judgment. Even though the facemask, hairline, and shoulder are still allowable, there will be times referees err on the side of caution given their mandate or miss subtleties given their angle or the bang-bang nature of it.
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I think Weeden should improve in his 2nd season, however, it worries me that the team seems to lack confidence in his ability to be a solid starter. Six or 7 wins just make it extremely difficult to draft a franchise QB and that is the win totals I think we will be around next season if everything goes well.
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John Greco played considerably better then any other OG we have once he got in there. I really think interior lineman is not an option. The lack of running productivity, imo, had a lot to do with a hesitant RB nursing nagging injuries and a sub par play-caller. Hardesty had his most productive season yet behind the same line in limited opportunities and he has poor vision.

I'm not as optimistic about the defense as.. let's say Keylime but I do like signing Kruger and especially Bryant. Kruger is not an all pro but he does get pretty consistent pressure. Bryant looks something like a raw Richard Seymour. I'm really curious to see how he'll pan out.
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Yeah, the people clamoring for Warmack in the first round for us just baffle me. It is so easy to find a good or at least solid OG in the middle rounds any given year. Let's take a player at a premium position like QB, CB, or pass rusher at #6 instead of wasting the value on an interior lineman.

As far as the defense, all I've gotta say is that we had a pretty good looking young defense last year and we improved it even more with good young players. Just fix the secondary and it'll have elite potential.
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In an ideal world, we donít have to pick Warmack at six. But navigating the draft and trading down is a lot easier said than done. At this point, Jordan and Smith would sit atop the big board in all likelihood. Jordan is a versatile defender with salivating blitz and coverage potential. Smith is a talented quarterback with franchise upside if his footwork and post-snap validation check out. I wouldnít argue with either of those picks over Warmack.

Itís the group after that. Dee Milliner? No thanks. Heís got aggressiveness, closing speed, and reads the game well when itís in front of him. After that? He needs more work than people are talking about. Because those three traits arenít even the most important aspects of being a cornerback. At ĎBama, Milliner leaned on bail and shuffle techniques. It highlighted the strengths of his skill set, but those arenít NFL techniques. Heís going to be put in unfamiliar situations and his athletic differential is going to be minimal. Heís not a good enough athlete to compensate for poor technique. People love to bring up the pair of blazing forties at the Combine, but his other tests were a little alarming. He finished 18th out of 25 participants in the three-cone drill and 24th out of 26 participants in the short shuttle. That puts him in the 28th percentile and 8th percentile. Oh, and heís one of the grabbiest college corners, too.

If the choice is between Milliner and Warmack, Iím taking Warmack. We donít have a foundational quarterback. Our offense is built around the premise of a powerful ground game. We invested multiple picks into a top-shelf runner. Thereís nothing wrong with making strengths even stronger. Our guards are shielders. Warmack is a driver and mover. A unit of Thomas / Warmack / Mack / Greco / Schwartz blends punch and pass pro and gives the Browns a unique element.

For example, letís assume the Chiefs draft Joeckel. The Jaguars draft Geno. The Raiders draft Ansah. The Eagles draft Jordan. The Lions draft Milliner. The Browns are on the clock. The phone isnít ringing. Whose name is on the card?
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I really think it could be offensive playmaker. Check the mock in the sig, Tavon Austin, Cordarrelle or even Keenan Allen depending on how he looks in his individual workout. Just a hunch, but I'm not sure they're especially high on the WRs, particularly Little. I was such a big fan of his at UNC but as a pro, he's got too much Arrelious Benn to his game (another guy I loved coming out).

And I remember reading a transcript from either Chud or Banner a few months back about, what I took to mean, they were considering surrounding BW with weapons and seeing how he progresses.

If it's still defense, I've seen some talk of Rhodes at #6, but I'm not a big fan of his, especially that high. Vaccaro might be a possibility.
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I think we need to draft offense and then more offense. Offense wins in the NFL today and even if it turns out that we still need to find a franchise QB, at least the rest of the offense will be in place.
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Yeah I agree the offense needs talent and attention from the front office in a bad way compared to the defense, but really we are pretty young and have some talented pieces in place offensively. If there is a great TE or WR sitting there we should grab him, but at 6 the value isn't there. We would have to trade down to improve the offense and get good value - and considering the talent at 6 is about the same as the talent at 20, it's not gonna be easy to move down. We have Gordon, Little, Benjamin, Richardson, Cameron as some very young, very high upside, unproven skill position players. Really I think the only thing we really need badly offensively is a QB. If we had an elite QB our young skill players would look a lot better than they will if we have Weeden out there.

So if we're not gonna find a franchise QB at 6 (doubtful) then we best go BPA and that is probably Milliner or another front seven defender.
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