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Old 03-22-2013, 10:03 PM    (permalink
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Anyone see Woodhead's contract with SD?
I'm with Reiss, puzzled why we didn't resign him for those numbers.
So, let the conspiracy theories begin:

1) He didn't want to come back to NE (e.g. the weather is just a tad better in SD)
2) He was pissed Welker was allowed to walk
3) We're saving up for a big payday for ...someone.
We're stacked at RB and he would have been more expensive than a free agent rookie that can do his job.
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I'm excited Vollmer is sticking around. Our bookends are set. Another interior lineman would be nice though.
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I'm excited Vollmer is sticking around. Our bookends are set. Another interior lineman would be nice though.
Yup. Barret Jones in the second or maybe a guy like Warmack if he falls. But DL, WR and DB should be the main focus of this draft.
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Yup. Barret Jones in the second or maybe a guy like Warmack if he falls. But DL, WR and DB should be the main focus of this draft.
While I think Warmack is the superior prospect I prefer the fit of Cooper with the Pats. Very atheltic guy who is also more versatile than Warmack. The Pats love stretch runs and screens. Cooper on the second level is in a different class than most OG prospects in the last 10 years
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While I think Warmack is the superior prospect I prefer the fit of Cooper with the Pats. Very atheltic guy who is also more versatile than Warmack. The Pats love stretch runs and screens. Cooper on the second level is in a different class than most OG prospects in the last 10 years
I agree that Cooper is a better fit, but I'll go as far as calling him a better prospect than Warmack. That's why I don't think we'll have a shot at drafting him. Warmack is the type of player that could fall due to a perceived lack of athleticism and upside. I still think that BB will trade down at least once and collect midround draft picks and picks next year.
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Bookend Tackles FTW!

Also 8.5 mil guaranteed for Kyle Arrington, 8.25 for Vollmer. Dafuq?

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Bookend Tackles FTW!

Also 8.5 mil guaranteed for Kyle Arrington, 8.25 for Vollmer. Dafuq?
Hahahaaa . . . you're so funny.

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Seriously **** that Arrington deal.
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**** Kyle Arrington.
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I like him, he is a great slot corner.
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He is a tough player but he simply can't cover. Adequate guy to have on the roster as a depth guy/ST'er but worth nowhere near the cash we gave him.
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He is a tough player but he simply can't cover. Adequate guy to have on the roster as a depth guy/ST'er but worth nowhere near the cash we gave him.
He should have got what Adrian Wilson got. He's an adequate in the right role type guy, but we're paying him like a full fledged quality starter when there were and are several 1-2 type CB's still on the market going for a comparable price. That contract still makes no sense.
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Arrington definitely got overpaid; I think $3 million per season is the highest I'd go. However, he's also a young, durable, and versatile defensive back with reliable play; certainly not elite, and has deficiencies on the outside, but you know what you're getting with him on the field. The Patriots have been unable to find quality defensive backs, so I can see the logic behind preventing another hole from opening up in the secondary.
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Arrington definitely got overpaid; I think $3 million per season is the highest I'd go. However, he's also a young, durable, and versatile defensive back with reliable play; certainly not elite, and has deficiencies on the outside, but you know what you're getting with him on the field. The Patriots have been unable to find quality defensive backs, so I can see the logic behind preventing another hole from opening up in the secondary.
Why is that? Anyone have a good explanation for our consistent failure in drafting DBs (and WRs for that matter): Scouting, coaching, slavish devotion to measurable's, simple bad luck?

It's why I'm disappointed we opted not to sign any of the affordable starting caliber corners. I fear the same ol, same ol in the back end again this year (go back to the beginning of this thread, the pass defense problems emerged back in 08 and have never really been corrected.) Maybe I'm just a half empty kind of guy though.
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It has to be a mixture of scouting and coaching. Anyone will tell you that our defense is a tough one to play in, especially for DB's, but if you look at the corners/safeties we draft it has to be a scouting thing as well.

I think BB thought he saw the next Ed Reed in Meriweather, but it turns out some of the flaws in his game at Miami that we thought we correctable really were not. I think you can chalk up Meriweather to being a scouting and coaching disaster.

Darius Butler was an excellent athlete coming out of UConn, but he was not physical. He had some good interception numbers but it was clear as soon as he got here that he was lost when the ball was in the air. He has improved for the Colts but still was a bust for us.

Chung I would say is more of the same. He was never though to be much of a cover guy at Oregon, he was a physical player with some athletic upside. He never developer into what we apparently envisioned in him and was considered a reach on draft day, he was pretty much a first round pick.

Terrence Wheatley? Fail.
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Thanks Don.
I would advise against going back to the beginning of this thread lol. A lot of the prospects you guys discussed back then (Harvin, Matthews, Barwin et al) were all spot on, yet here we are with almost the same issues.
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Yeah, at this point, I think the coaching is to blame. That and WRs.
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Will he be better or worse than Ocho?


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Yeah. Molasses Mike.
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So . . . we have Amendola, Jones, and now Jenkins as slot/possession guys. Sweet?


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Anyone read Reiss' mailbag? Quote from BB on evaluating college receivers:

"I think the college passing game is a lot different than the pro passing game -- it involves pass protection, pass rush, pass execution and pass defense. We all look at the same film. We're all trying to evaluate the same players. But it's a lot easier to watch a guy in the NFL perform and translate his skills for your team than watch a guy in college perform because of the discrepancy in the passing game. It's nobody's fault. That's just the way it is."

Maybe BB should talk to the GB scouting staff, they don't seem to have the same problems
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Anyone read Reiss' mailbag? Quote from BB on evaluating college receivers:

"I think the college passing game is a lot different than the pro passing game -- it involves pass protection, pass rush, pass execution and pass defense. We all look at the same film. We're all trying to evaluate the same players. But it's a lot easier to watch a guy in the NFL perform and translate his skills for your team than watch a guy in college perform because of the discrepancy in the passing game. It's nobody's fault. That's just the way it is."

Maybe BB should talk to the GB scouting staff, they don't seem to have the same problems
Seriously. I made a similar quip the other day that we'd be happy to swap RB and WR scouting personnel so both teams can fix the spot they're awful at in one shot. We're good at RB for a while, anyway.
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I rather we have signed E. Sanders.
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