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Old 03-26-2013, 08:14 PM    (permalink
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Sorry, but Rhodes isn't the most fluid CB and has trouble in man coverage because of it. Yes, he can press but CB's can press in the Cover 2 before dropping into a zone concept where fluidity isn't important but physicality is. He would be an excellent Cover 2 CB but will always struggle some in man to man schemes.
If I remember correctly, of the draft elligible CBs, Rhodes allowed the fewest deep balls in man coverage. Yeah. He can stick with his guy.
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Xavier Rhodes is his name, press coverage is his game!


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Either for me. Just hoping one of them is there at 30
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Desmond Trufant- 6 Feet and 190, 37.5 Jump and great 3 Cone.

Trufant is a player that was held back by the teams he was on. If Trufant played on a LSU or Florida he would be talked about right now as a top 10 pick.
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Lot of people looking at measurables and making generalizations based on that.

Rhodes does not have issues turning his hips and backpedaling just because he is a big corner.

To me, he doesn't have really one identifiable weakness that you can say "Yea he struggles with that." He might get beat sometimes or give up a play sometimes because that's just the nature of the position and sometimes that stuff happens. His dominance of play can be a little inconsistent, but I've been saying since his freshman year that he would be a stud NFL corner.

If anything, that's maybe a knock because to me his best year was his freshmen year when he was absolutely lock down.
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Rhodes as a Free Safety.... How do you like that?
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Rhodes as a Free Safety.... How do you like that?
No. He's a cb.
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My problem with Trufant is I don't view him as a lockdown guy bc I can see him struggle with the AJ Green/Julio Jones/Dez Bryants of the world. He's just not big enough to hang with them.

Unless I'm underestimating his size? Anyone have his measurements?
More often that not pretty much every CB in the the league are going to struggle against the Calvin Johnson's and AJ Greens of the world. It's the ability to somewhat contain those guys while shutting down the second teir WRs of the the league. I think Trufant can be that type guy, and at the least is a solid starter in the league.
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No. He's a cb.
I still question if that's so definite. If a team has a bigger need at FS than CB, I wouldn't put it past them to take Rhodes and plug him in at FS.

Didn't he play S at FSU at times?
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He's not a great tackler though. And there's a huge difference btw playing spot duty FS in college vs the pros. The CBs who transition well to FS in the Pros are guys who do an excellent job of playing off the ball coverage and understand and process route combinations quickly and pick up the right guy down the field.

That's typically a trait that zone defenders excel at moreso than bump and run guys who spent their whole career chasing a guy down the field. That's why guys like Nmandi can't transition to FS, but a guy like Woodson can, bc he excels in reading route combinations in zone (Woodson was great at everything).

Same with Ronde Barber. The bump and run guys don't make good FS typically.
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http://blogs.nfl.com/2013/03/30/flor...es-at-pro-day/

Rhodes ran a 4.65 shuttle and 7.29 3-cone is this for real?
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He's not a great tackler though. And there's a huge difference btw playing spot duty FS in college vs the pros. The CBs who transition well to FS in the Pros are guys who do an excellent job of playing off the ball coverage and understand and process route combinations quickly and pick up the right guy down the field.

That's typically a trait that zone defenders excel at moreso than bump and run guys who spent their whole career chasing a guy down the field. That's why guys like Nmandi can't transition to FS, but a guy like Woodson can, bc he excels in reading route combinations in zone (Woodson was great at everything).

Same with Ronde Barber. The bump and run guys don't make good FS typically.
From what I've seen his tackling isn't a problem. My concern was more related to what you said about his zone instincts. Just because he's a bump and run guy, does that put him in the cookie cutter mold in everyone's minds that he can only do that? Or is he one of those exceptions that is good in both man and zone coverage? Can he be good at whatever the team wants him to do? Rhodes is one of those guys I have a hard time putting limitations on.
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From what I've seen his tackling isn't a problem. My concern was more related to what you said about his zone instincts. Just because he's a bump and run guy, does that put him in the cookie cutter mold in everyone's minds that he can only do that? Or is he one of those exceptions that is good in both man and zone coverage? Can he be good at whatever the team wants him to do? Rhodes is one of those guys I have a hard time putting limitations on.
But why take him away from what he does best? If you want a FS, draft one, don't draft Xavier Rhodes.

If you actually are thinking about putting him at FS, there would be no logic behind using a high pick on him, because he hasn't shown anything to suggest he can play there at an NFL level.

A team that needs a CB is going to value him much higher than a team that wants him at FS. He isn't going to be drafted as a safety. End of story.
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But why take him away from what he does best? If you want a FS, draft one, don't draft Xavier Rhodes.

If you actually are thinking about putting him at FS, there would be no logic behind using a high pick on him, because he hasn't shown anything to suggest he can play there at an NFL level.

A team that needs a CB is going to value him much higher than a team that wants him at FS. He isn't going to be drafted as a safety. End of story.
Yeah, if I had to bet on it, I'd bet the house that he'd be drafted to play CB.

But I wanted to gauge others thoughts. I've seen other draft sites talk about him as a possible safety candidate.

If I wanted to draft a FS, you make it sound so easy, but I don't see a 1st round guy. I haven't seen a 1st round worth FS in a long time actually. Earl Thomas? Vaccaro and Cyprien are more SS types. Rhodes on the other hand has a lot of the traits I'd like to have in a FS.
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How is Vaccarro more of a SS? He's more of a CB than a SS. He's a FS all the way.
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How is Vaccarro more of a SS? He's more of a CB than a SS. He's a FS all the way.
All I see his a guy that comes up well in run support and sure tackling on short to mid range passes. Kind of wrecklessly though. He's already dealt with several injuries, so I'm wary of the way he plays. He's gotta smarten up. ...but then that might take away from his game.

His game isn't built off speed (4.63 Forty). As a CB, I think he'd get wrecked. Hips... I don't call them smooth. I like his length, aggression and physicality. Good SS traits. Centerfielder and last man defending... I have worries.

Maybe you can convince me otherwise?
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Vaccaro plays man coverage very well for a safety, see him as a free safety, and while he is a willing hitter, he needs more discipline and work on his angles.
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What makes you say that?
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I think West Virginia was the game which exemplified this the best. He looked comfortable in coverage and played very well. The rest of the Texas defense can't say the same but that was a theme for the entire year. There are also other games I could point to, but I prefer to focus telling evaluations when a player goes up against higher tier talent and then the lesser games just supplement the argument.
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All I see his a guy that comes up well in run support and sure tackling on short to mid range passes. Kind of wrecklessly though. He's already dealt with several injuries, so I'm wary of the way he plays. He's gotta smarten up. ...but then that might take away from his game.

His game isn't built off speed (4.63 Forty). As a CB, I think he'd get wrecked. Hips... I don't call them smooth. I like his length, aggression and physicality. Good SS traits. Centerfielder and last man defending... I have worries.

Maybe you can convince me otherwise?
I haven't seen him enough to really break him down completely. I usually just trust LL's opinions on Texas players. He's usually spot on.
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