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Old 04-02-2013, 04:51 PM    (permalink
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you know, for the part that i bolded, which was patently hypocritical. if you don't like your words, don't use them.



because that was totally the point.
What the what? I said it's not a thing and that makes me a hypocrite? That's some psychological **** right there man.

I guess this is the most appropriate thing for me then.



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Old 04-02-2013, 04:57 PM    (permalink
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We can jab about public figures all we want, but we don't allow it to happen between forum members.
I thought this was the whole reason we let Brodie be wrong about things in the off topic forum?
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If I wasen't posting from some **** phone, there would be a gif of some black dude eating popcorn here instead of this post. I hope I provided some valuable insight.
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I really don't give a crap about what players do off the field as long as it doesn't affect their performance. The modern day fascination with player's lives isn't for true fans.
This is exactly what I was trying to say, albeit it came out in a little more douchy manner.
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These players aren't my heros anymore. It isn't the same like when I was younger and would idolize some of these players. Now, I'm starting to become older than some of my fav players and the ones that are older really are not people I want to become like in my life. I really don't give a **** what these dudes do off the field, as long as they perform what they are paid to to do while playing for my fav teams.

If Jairus Byrd came out tomorrow, I wouldn't give a damn nor would I admire him for doing so. Who gives a ****? It's his life and he can choose to do what he wants.

I have favorite teams and I root for the people that play for my team - what they do when the lights go out is their choice.
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:01 PM    (permalink
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What a lot of you are missing is that the opinions of heterosexual people on the effects of athletes coming out are comparatively a lot less relevant than the opinions of *** people.

They aren't doing this to inspire you or me, so the fact that you don't see any positive effects is largely meaningless and the idea that because it doesn't effect you it doesn't effect someone more closely related to the cause is pretty self centered.

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Old 04-02-2013, 07:18 PM    (permalink
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What a lot of you are missing is that the opinions of heterosexual people on the effects of athletes coming out are comparatively a lot less relevant than the opinions of *** people.

They aren't doing this to inspire you or me, so the fact that you don't see any positive effects is largely meaningless and the idea that because it doesn't effect you it doesn't effect someone more closely related to the cause is pretty self centered.
People who think they are right and others are mistaken are self-centered.

Who here is NOT self centered??? C'mon yo! ^_^
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Just like Kyle put it up there, think of how big it would be even for straight and homophobic parents to see a big time athlete that is perceived as a big deal in a high testosterone environment. It would be a big deal for someone to come out, and even if it's just someone like Kwame Harris that causes the dominoes to fall down...(Chris Culliver didn't exactly help the cause)
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:30 PM    (permalink
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People who think they are right and others are mistaken are self-centered.

Who here is NOT self centered??? C'mon yo! ^_^
You're twisting my words, and not very well. What you just described is having an opinion. I'm talking about placing your opinion at the same level of importance in a situation where there is a different group of people that have a much higher stake.
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:53 PM    (permalink
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Just like Kyle put it up there, think of how big it would be even for straight and homophobic parents to see a big time athlete that is perceived as a big deal in a high testosterone environment. It would be a big deal for someone to come out, and even if it's just someone like Kwame Harris that causes the dominoes to fall down...(Chris Culliver didn't exactly help the cause)
I thought Culliver came off looking like a real dipshit. I could see guys like Justin Smith and Patrick Willis telling him to just shut the ####up
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You're not the only one who thought that.
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if it's not a thing, why waste breath making sure everyone knows how little you think it's a thing? simply move on. essentially telling harris (and other players in a similar situation) to just shut up about it, while loudly making sure everyone knows how little it matters is hypocritical (and, in all honesty, suggests an alternate agenda). i can't fathom the cognitive dissonance required to miss it.
There you go again. Thinking something exists that doesn't exist. I will agree it was probably a waste of breath, but it's gotten interesting since.

I just think in his circumstance, the importance of it is not world wide newsworthy. Putting himself out there like he's some example to the world is conceited for him to think that of himself. That's my opinion. I'm being critical of his ego. He's a nobody to begin with. He just used this news as a vehicle to get more attention on himself. I was criticizing his vain self promoting act.

Since his NFL career didn't put him on the map enough. This is definitely a way to get more attention on himself. Kudos to him. He's got an extra 15 min of fame.

Now instead of being a forgotton NFL has been, he'll now be known as the *** NFL player. Now when nobody would've ever talked about him, people now have a reference to him. I gotta admit, he actually did himself a lot of favor with this move. Maybe it was less about ego (which I initially thought) and more about attention. Smart man.

The reality I see is that he gets cheers and applause from the *** activist community, but ain't nobody gonna make a decision to come out because he came out. That's just too much for me to believe.

My brother is *** so I don't have any hidden adgenda. I'm moving on from your trickery.

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That's more a credit to your own strength, but what he said was a douchey move that was meant to jab.

We can jab about public figures all we want, but we don't allow it to happen between forum members.
The stance you're taking on this particular issue is far more "douchey" than what i said to someone who i constantly joke and exchange jabs with. I don't need to go into detail, as njx, bbd and brody have already hit the nail on the head. Lighten up.
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The stance you're taking on this particular issue is far more "douchey" than what i said to someone who i constantly joke and exchange jabs with. I don't need to go into detail, as njx, bbd and brody have already hit the nail on the head. Lighten up.
I guess there's no line you won't cross, eh?
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*** is censored on here? Really? REALLY?
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i didnt see much wrong with what metsox said. and im #teambrody

edit: not "#teambrody" as in "#teamrudycool"

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i didnt see much wrong with what metsox said. and im #teambrody
He didn't get infracted in case you had the imagination that he did.
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He didn't get infracted in case you had the imagination that he did.
no, but you said it was douchey.
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no, but you said it was douchey.
Maybe not to you, but it can be seen that way by some.
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i didnt see much wrong with what metsox said. and im #teambrody

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Maybe not to you, but it can be seen that way by some.
well i wasnt speaking for anyone else.
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are you really that surprised that the favorite pejorative of teenagers everywhere is masked?
Considering the very group it refers to uses the term to describe themselves and doesn't take offense to being identified as such (unless with negative context), yeah, I'm kinda surprised. Also, how the hell are you supposed to talk about Marvin ***?
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I heard that Sylvester Stallone wrote The Expendables with The Alex in mind. He had to keep it realistic though and split The Alex's abilities into multiple characters. Stallone thought that critics would pan it for being too far-fetched if he just had one character effing everyone up.
The end. Cut to black. Audience goes ****ing ape****.
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I've restrained from commenting on this, but I guess I will share a few of my thoughts:

1. Why is this just being talked about now? I thought he was pretty much 'outed' when he assaulted his boyfriend a couple months ago?

2. This is a big deal. While I don't think Harris should be made a hero and champion of *** rights (the dude beat up his boyfriend and wasn't exactly a household name based on his play), respect has to be given for him officially coming out and not denying it anymore. I agree with D-Unit that, no, I don't believe anybody is going to say, "Well Kwame Harris came out, so I can too" but it will help that whoever is next won't have to be the FIRST to do it.

3. I wish this wasn't a big deal. Not the "being ***" part, but personal lives of public figures in general. Somebody brought up Tom Brady and Gisele, but the thing is, I don't want to hear about them either. I hate our reality TV culture that makes everybody fascinated by this crap about celebrity couples, Kate Middleton, the Kardashians, etc. At risk of being chastised for bringing up a Packer in a non-Packer thread, I wish the world had more people like Aaron Rodgers. He has publicly stated that he will answer ANY football related questions in interviews whether it's about a game, his play, officiating, teammates, other players or anything else, but he refuses to answer anything personal such as whether or not he was recently engaged. I know the public craves this information, but I like to dream.

Edit: Also, not arguing whether or not " *** " should be censored, but I think comparing it to the n-word is a little extreme. *** isn't some slang term that "some folks refer to themselves" with. It is a formal word that is used the President of the United States on national television and anyone else when speaking of homosexuals. It is of course used derogatorily on a football forum probably more than for its intended definition, so I can see the censorship, but I don't think it's at the N-word's level.
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Maybe not to you, but it can be seen that way by some.
That's true of 89% of the posts in the off topic forum. Metsox may be a dirty mexican, but what he said was no more douchie than the regular jabs that get thrown around here. That's what old friends do to each other.
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No one has to come out because of Kwame Harris for him to have an impact. You think there weren't any *** kids on your HS football team? Of course there were, but football is such a high-testosterone environment, that that's gotta be really hard on a kid who's still coming to terms with their own sexuality. Knowing that not only are their **** who play football but even a *** guy who made it all the way to the NFL has to make it easier on kids that have to deal with the homophobia you get when you put a bunch teenagers in that macho of an environment.
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