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Old 04-03-2013, 11:22 AM    (permalink
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I think Baas has 2 years left and Kiwi is in his final year? Those contracts can come off the books after this year.

I don't know about Snee.


2 years isn't good because now that money gets pushed back. SK meanwhile he gets older and this season coming back from surgery according to TC. So cutting him makes it harder. Its not like David D who took a pay cut. If he didn't he would get cut. Restructuring s are hard in that regard. you are hoping the player can have a consistent level of play through out the life of the contract. if not, you have an over priced guy who can't be cut.
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We should cut him now. 9 million for Chris Snee is absolutely ridiculous. That's the worst contract on our team. We've cut better players who made less or asked them to take pay cuts.

I know it won't happen bc it's Snee, but it should. Think about what we could have done with 9 million dollars of salary.
checked with http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/chris-snee/

Snee has a base salary is $6.7m, if we cut him now, we get hit with the 2014 portion of his SB ($4.25m), so we would only save $2.5m against the cap and have to find a starter from somewhere.

there is a player option for 2014

If we cut Snee after this season (or he doesn't exercise his player option), we save $6.7m against the 2014 cap
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Looking at the Cruz situation, there is a very big deadline looming for Cruz on April 19.

If he doesn't sign a deal before then, he is going to have to play for a little under $3m and hit unrestricted free agency in 2014. Considering we have a decent deal in the table (rumoured to average over $7m/year), it doesn't bode well.

I wouldn't be surprised if he planned on holding out at that point.

I know we ideally want Cruz back, but should we consider trade options at that point? While teams don't want to give a first round pick, I could see a team willing to give maybe a 2nd and 4th for him.

If we hit April 19 without a deal for Cruz it gets messy, an amicable resolution would not seem likely.
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Then, we need a slot WR. Once again, the search would start for America's Top slot Wr.
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Looking at the Cruz situation, there is a very big deadline looming for Cruz on April 19.

If he doesn't sign a deal before then, he is going to have to play for a little under $3m and hit unrestricted free agency in 2014. Considering we have a decent deal in the table (rumoured to average over $7m/year), it doesn't bode well.

I wouldn't be surprised if he planned on holding out at that point.

I know we ideally want Cruz back, but should we consider trade options at that point? While teams don't want to give a first round pick, I could see a team willing to give maybe a 2nd and 4th for him.

If we hit April 19 without a deal for Cruz it gets messy, an amicable resolution would not seem likely.
We could still extend him beyond that date.
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BBI insider thinks Cruz will be signing on the last day. So far that poster is batting 1.000
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Wow, we have a big time DT haul now. We just signed Mike Patterson. So add another DT to our rotation.
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I expect that will be the case as well, but if it doesn't happen, it doesn't look great for Cruz as a long term giant.
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Hixon signed with the Panthers today and Edelman was brought in today and will be back tomorrow
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I hope JE signs with us. I think he can be gold in our system and worst fill Devin Thomas role as a WR if needed but special teamer.
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He'll be serviceable. NE runs a very similar system to us so I expect him to be a reliable backup option as our slot.
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He'll be serviceable. NE runs a very similar system to us so I expect him to be a reliable backup option as our slot.
I'd let him return all kicks as well. Wilson and Randle are due to see more playing time, more than Edelman. At least I hope.
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I'd let him return all kicks as well. Wilson and Randle are due to see more playing time, more than Edelman. At least I hope.
I rather keep Randle and Wilson in their ST role while taking up more snaps on offense. I mean why not? It's not like they can't do it. The coaching staff just gets scared of injuries for no reason. There's no greater chance they get hurt on a kickoff vs an extra hand off or pass. I would keep them in their roles on special teams even with the increased workload on offense, but I know it won't happen.
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Wilson needs to continue to do kickoffs. The field position he gave us last year is integral to the offense. I don't care if Randle continues to do punts though. He wasn't all that impressive in that role.
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Yeah Randle was mediocre there, so I don't mind, but Wilson definitely needs to stay on kickoffs. Although I wonder why he can't do punts as well?
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Tyson Clabo was cut. Him or Eric Winston could be nice additions to RT for us. I wouldn't mind that.

Of course, that would mean cutting Diehl's dead weight. Which I would assume would be a given if we sign a FA RT.
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Yeah Randle was mediocre there, so I don't mind, but Wilson definitely needs to stay on kickoffs. Although I wonder why he can't do punts as well?
Fielding punts requires a very different skill set than returning kicks. More of a premium is placed on hands and 1 cut agility. Edelman's best role is as a punt returned, but I think he could be an average slot WR if given enough meaningful snaps. His athleticism is really underrated. He is more of a less polished Amendola than a less polished Welker.

I still suspect his best NFL position is 3rd down RB or nickel CB/ safety hybrid though.
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Tyson Clabo was cut. Him or Eric Winston could be nice additions to RT for us. I wouldn't mind that.

Of course, that would mean cutting Diehl's dead weight. Which I would assume would be a given if we sign a FA RT.
I don't know if Diehl would be cut. Even though he did lower his salary to whatever figure it is now, some of the money was given as a bonus. Which we could not get back now.
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I don't know if Diehl would be cut. Even though he did lower his salary to whatever figure it is now, some of the money was given as a bonus. Which we could not get back now.
We never should have restructured him. He should have been an immediate cut.
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Fielding punts requires a very different skill set than returning kicks. More of a premium is placed on hands and 1 cut agility. Edelman's best role is as a punt returned, but I think he could be an average slot WR if given enough meaningful snaps. His athleticism is really underrated. He is more of a less polished Amendola than a less polished Welker.

I still suspect his best NFL position is 3rd down RB or nickel CB/ safety hybrid though.
I don't see why Wilson can't do it though. He has incredible agility and he has good hands.
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We never should have restructured him. He should have been an immediate cut.
We didn't restructure him really though. He took a massive pay cut.
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We didn't restructure him really though. He took a massive pay cut.
We should have just cut him though. He just doesn't have it anymore. Unless he's making like 1 mill a season we should have just cut him.
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They like him as a backup. He can play anywhere on the line. We'd have no money for Winston or Clabo even if Diehl was cut.
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Can he though? They tried him at Guard and he was a massive fail. Then RT and he was a massive fail. The guy just doesn't have it anymore.

I rather get a cheap backup from somewhere else honestly. I bet you if Diehl got cut today, he'd be just like OHara and Petitgout and be forced into retirement.
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You're probably right. I was the one banging the drum last year to get Diehl out of the starting OL as he was terrible. The coaching staff and FO obviously love him and want him around though.
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